Sutherland Club House

Corycm said:
That’s a pretty solid sign. It really feels like you have to make a significant step (in dollars) to level that one up. Everyone seems to like theirs, from what I remembered, I wanted to make sure nothing became the new hotness while I was paying other dumb bills.
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I can’t imagine you not loving it.
 
apholden said:
I'm still happy with mine. Leave a search running on HiFi Shark, and you'll eventually get a hit for a used Insight for the price of a new KC Vibe, or a 20/20 for the price of an Insight. They hooked me up with US Audio Mart for mine if I remember correctly.
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I just wonder what people are upgrading to. Anything I’d want over the Insight is $4-6k.
 
displayname said:
I'll be looking at add the LPS long before I'm looking to upgrade. Still don't know if it's really needed, but I know the curiosity will get the best of me sooner or later.
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I did a bunch of reading on it and eventually determined that if I can’t hear any obvious shortcomings now I’d rather spend the $450 on something else. It sure looks cool, though.
 
kvetcha said:
I did a bunch of reading on it and eventually determined that if I can’t hear any obvious shortcomings now I’d rather spend the $450 on something else. It sure looks cool, though.
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Honestly a big part of the draw for me is using a single outlet without potentially chocking the power. A phono preamp *shouldn't* need that much power, but it can only help and one plug with potentially an upgraded cord certainly can't hurt. But it'll be awhile.
 
Just purchased a Little Loco and so far I am loving it. It really extracts the micro details and presents a big sound stage image. I went from the phono stage built into my Luxman 590axII integrated amp where I was using the MM section with a Bob's Devices Sky 20 (1:20) SUT. Turntable I am using is a VPI Classic 4 with 12in 3DR tonearm and Ortofon Cadenza Black MC cartridge.

What I like best is that there is no need to fiddle with loading settings. Right out of the box with the medium resistors installed, it (the Little Loco) sounds wonderful.

I didn't compare to an Insight, though I used to have an Insight long ago with much lesser equipment. The Insight was great at the time from what I can recall. I did have a Zesto Andros PS1 tube phono pre amp that I did use with my current equipment that did sound great too. But I felt that I didn't want to mess with tubes any longer, having to turn them on and wait for warm-up, etc. I simplified my system moving from separates to the Luxman and decided that the built in phono was nearly as good.

The Little Loco is a good upgrade to what I was using. I had contemplated using the Bob's SUT and just trying another Insight and use the MM section of the Insight. But I just have this feeling that the loading seen from the SUT is not right for the Cadenza Black. I used to set the Zesto Andros to 400. I think with the Sky 20 set to 1:20, it sees 118 or so. Maybe not ideal. The Little Loco takes these decisions out of the picture.
 
GStephenH said:
This is an auction, but you never know if you don't try!

Sutherland Engineering 20/20 | Phono

Sutherland Engineering 20/20 for sale. The magical Sutherland 20/20 pre-amp, in great shape. It has no sound of its own, it simply does its job. Completely separate channels in one chassis, including two power cords. In as-new condition...
www.audiogon.com www.audiogon.com
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That should be exciting for someone. I'm curious what it ends up going for.
 
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