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Mather said:
Just to push this across the finish line .. Detroiters is Tim Robinson's first show that co stars Sam Richardson who you absolutely know from ITYSL among many other things and it's funny as fuck...

Uh, just in case, do not watch this in front of... anyone...

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WAIT was this about a rapper that died??
 
TenderLovingKiller® said:
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Just wrapped up the Disney+ Beach Boys doc and it’s done really well. Nothing groundbreaking for those that are fairly familiar with the band and I wish they spent more time on the post-Pet Sounds era but they got lots of quality interview clips and it’s fun to hear their take on things. They even managed to keep Mike Love from looking like the giant asshole he is. I’d be excellent primer for anyone looking to dive into The Beach Boys catalog for the first time.
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Finally got to watch this last night. It was excellent.
 
....does anyone watch anything in/around the Bravoverse? I crash-coursed my way through Vanderpump Rules earlier this spring and in the wake of the latest season ending was curious if anyone here had thoughts.
Because I'm composing a dissertation.
 
Bull Shannon said:
....does anyone watch anything in/around the Bravoverse? I crash-coursed my way through Vanderpump Rules earlier this spring and in the wake of the latest season ending was curious if anyone here had thoughts.
Because I'm composing a dissertation.
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My SO basically only watches Bravo and RuPaul’s Drag Race so I watch A LOT of Bravo.

My thoughts: Tom Sandoval is still a narcissistic shithead. Who has never offered anyone a genuine apology in his entire life. The show is chocked full of Narcissists really. The Gaslighting that Tom Schwartz did to Jo about their relationship was probably the shittiest thing about that anyone did this past season. LaLa Kent is a giant hypocrite who spent way too much time shitting on her supposed friend Ariana behind her back. Acting like anyone would be cool with casually hanging out with their cheating ex 4 months after the break up is fucked up. The show was trying to position this season as at least partially a Sandoval redemption tour but thankfully failed at least partially because Ariana wouldn’t play ball. Ariana and James girlfriend, Ally are probably the only two people on the entire show that I don’t regularly want to slap. I wish Ariana continue success and as a sandwich lover, I hope her and Katie’s “Something About Her Sandwich Shop” makes them a ton of money.

That might be a wrap on Vanderpump Rules too. Based on what I have read, this season might have been the last season. They have paused production indefinitely and both LaLa and Sheena and Brock have both bought homes in The Valley and The Valley was renewed for a second season so you could see them both jumping to that show. It will be interesting to see how it all shakes out.
 
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RenegadeMonster said:
I didn't know that this existed. I'll have to check it out.

I'm currently watching Evil on Paramount+
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I am watching it right now. It’s great. The biggest take away from me was how being reactionary to criticism kind of killed the original iteration. 1994 was the apex but they got shit for not being underground enough and responded by adding having Sonic Youth, Pavement, and Hole headline (which is awesome for me but not gonna sell out Amphitheaters) to then completely abandoning Alt culture for the Metallica headliners.

The other part I found interesting was the devolution of the Chicago festival that started off, similarly to Coachella or Bonnaroo, as festivals with a specific vibe before becoming just another generic giant festival with similar giant artists heading every year designed to put profits and consumerism over art.

Lastly, I enjoyed the small bit where Perry throws some shade on Rick Rubin who tried to buy the name “Lollapalooza” off him for $1Million in an attempt to “help” him out while he was strapped for cash.
 
TenderLovingKiller® said:
My SO basically only watches Bravo and RuPaul’s Drag Race so I watch A LOT of Bravo.

My thoughts: Tom Sandoval is still a narcissistic shithead. Who has never offered anyone a genuine apology in his entire life. The show is chocked full of Narcissists really. The Gaslighting that Tom Schwartz did to Jo about their relationship was probably the shittiest thing about that anyone did this past season. LaLa Kent is a giant hypocrite who spent way too much time shitting on her supposed friend Ariana behind her back. Acting like any anyone would be cool with casually handing out with their cheating ex 4 months after the break up is fucked up. The show was trying to position this season as at least partially a Sandoval redemption tour but thankfully failed at least partially because Ariana wouldn’t play ball. Ariana and James girlfriend, Ally are probably the only two people on the entire show that I don’t regularly want to slap. I wish Ariana continue success and as a sandwich lover, I hope her and Katie’s “Something About Her Sandwich Shop” makes them a ton of money.

That might be a wrap on Vanderpump Rules too. Based on what I have read, this season might have been the last season. They have paused production indefinitely and both LaLa and Sheena and Brock have both bought homes in The Valley and The Valley was renewed for a second season so you could see them both jumping to that show. It will be interesting to see how it all shakes out.
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heh heh I'm unironic and unforced in my love of Drag Race.

It definitely felt like this last season was a failed Sandoval redemption arc, which I was really impressed with Ariana for standing strong against. Schwartz's treatment of Jo managed to make her sympathetic, which was quite a feat. I think there'll be at least another season, but the producers want to give the cast time to live their lives and "develop storylines" rather than constantly react to the meta narratives around the show; it makes sense when I realize the last two seasons were basically back-to-back and the most recent season was filmed very quickly in the aftermath of Scandoval breaking.

What I find super fascinating about the show (esp having watched the entire run over a couple months) is how it matches the evolution of reality tv over the last ~15 years. When the show starts, we're already in a post-adolescence phase of reality tv: the cast knows they're there to get messy drunk and bicker over nothing, but they still are being "real" in some capacity. With the introduction of DJ James Kennedy and Lala, you get people who are lot more savvy about how they can leverage an on-screen image into some meager media career and a lot more concerned about their personal brand.

I think this last season and the reunion were such an interesting meta narrative about the nature of reality tv; you had cast members (namely Lala and Scheana) forgiving Sandoval and trying to reintegrate him in the group clearly because of producer meddling. Lala is especially guilty of this: as far as I can tell, she's mad at Ariana for the boundaries she has with Sandoval; Lala considers that "dishonest" and not "real," since their job as cast members requires interaction and having tough conversations on camera. Ariana and Lala basically made individual gambles: Ariana would stand by her boundaries and bet on that still making for good tv, and Lala would castigate Ariana for not cooperating with production and bet that Ariana would appear as a villain for not making good tv.

There's just a lot of discussion of "truth" and "honesty" in reality tv, but like a lot of language cast members use they seem like code for something else (much like how they always refer to "this summer" rather than "this season", or people on Love is Blind call it an "experiment" and not a "tv show), like it's more about a willingness to say everything publicly than it's about being truthful.
 
Bull Shannon said:
heh heh I'm unironic and unforced in my love of Drag Race.

It definitely felt like this last season was a failed Sandoval redemption arc, which I was really impressed with Ariana for standing strong against. Schwartz's treatment of Jo managed to make her sympathetic, which was quite a feat. I think there'll be at least another season, but the producers want to give the cast time to live their lives and "develop storylines" rather than constantly react to the meta narratives around the show; it makes sense when I realize the last two seasons were basically back-to-back and the most recent season was filmed very quickly in the aftermath of Scandoval breaking.

What I find super fascinating about the show (esp having watched the entire run over a couple months) is how it matches the evolution of reality tv over the last ~15 years. When the show starts, we're already in a post-adolescence phase of reality tv: the cast knows they're there to get messy drunk and bicker over nothing, but they still are being "real" in some capacity. With the introduction of DJ James Kennedy and Lala, you get people who are lot more savvy about how they can leverage an on-screen image into some meager media career and a lot more concerned about their personal brand.

I think this last season and the reunion were such an interesting meta narrative about the nature of reality tv; you had cast members (namely Lala and Scheana) forgiving Sandoval and trying to reintegrate him in the group clearly because of producer meddling. Lala is especially guilty of this: as far as I can tell, she's mad at Ariana for the boundaries she has with Sandoval; Lala considers that "dishonest" and not "real," since their job as cast members requires interaction and having tough conversations on camera. Ariana and Lala basically made individual gambles: Ariana would stand by her boundaries and bet on that still making for good tv, and Lala would castigate Ariana for not cooperating with production and bet that Ariana would appear as a villain for not making good tv.

There's just a lot of discussion of "truth" and "honesty" in reality tv, but like a lot of language cast members use they seem like code for something else (much like how they always refer to "this summer" rather than "this season", or people on Love is Blind call it an "experiment" and not a "tv show), like it's more about a willingness to say everything publicly than it's about being truthful.
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I agree. I don’t know how far down the Bravo rabbit hole you’ve traveled but almost all their shows now have a level of acknowledgement in the meta world they reside in. The Real Housewives for many years has been about spinning storylines to make your enemies look bad but in recent seasons this has become baked in to almost every show. The Stuff with Kyle Richards and her husband Mauricio separation based around a potential May-December lesbian love affair with Country Music start Morgan Wade on Beverly Hills to cast members on New Jersey and Salt Lake City literally going to prison for fraud, these shows now almost anchor seasons around these giant ripped from the headlines moments and too be honest it makes for better “reality” TV.
 
Finished up Mr & Mrs Smith! It was good! I remember liking the movie years ago and decided to rewatch it again recently (before I watched the show) and it didn't age well with me. But the show really gives both characters a lot of development and personality that it makes it work. Smart ending too.
 
zomgbear said:
Finished up Mr & Mrs Smith! It was good! I remember liking the movie years ago and decided to rewatch it again recently (before I watched the show) and it didn't age well with me. But the show really gives both characters a lot of development and personality that it makes it work. Smart ending too.
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I was wondering if the TV show was at all related to the movie. I'll have to check it out.
 
Indymisanthrope said:
Super weird. I thought maybe he had been in the background of a few scenes or something, but it sounds like maybe he was actually a central character in a season-long Real Housewives plotline?
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You were in a frat with John Sessa? I wouldn’t call him a central figure, but he was Lisa Vanderpump’s lackey who ran Vanderpump’s Dogs. Basically at Lisa’s direction he conspired with fellow housewife, Teddi Mellencamp to make housewife Dorit Kemsley appear to be a shitty dog owner (she kind of was).

Basically, Dorit adopted a dog from “friend” Lisa Vanderpump’s new dog grooming/dog rescue spot Vanderpump Dog but the dog, Lucy Lucy Apple Juicy, was a bit of a biter and nipped at Dorit’s children so she got rid of the dog but instead of bring the pup back to Vanderpump dog she just gave the dog away and the dog eventually ended up at a kill animal shelter. The kill shelter ran the chip and discovered it was a Vanderpump dog so they reached out to see if Lisa wanted the dog back so it wouldn’t be destroyed. She took it back but was pissed that Dorit, didn’t bring the dog back to her dog rescue if they weren’t going to keep it; she was also not happy because Dorit was becoming good friends with Lisa’s then best friend Kyle Richards, and lastly she wanted to promote her new business, Vanderpump Dog on the show. So she conspired to take down Dorit on the Housewives by having John Sessa mention to Teddi Mellencamp on camera that Dorit’s dog ended up at a kill animal shelter. The problem was that it slowly came out throughout the season that Vanderpump had orchestrated the whole thing to take down Dorit with the assistance of Teddi and John Sessa. The whole conspiracy backfired and Lisa ended up leaving Real Housewives of Beverly Hills as a result. She didn’t even attend the season wrap reunion to defend herself.

So John Sessa was on that season on multiple occasions and a part of the main storyline that eventually lead to the downfall of Lisa Vanderpump but was more of a pawn than a central figure.
 
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