The 1001 Album Generator Project Thread

Should we do a group project

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TenderLovingKiller® said:
I think this article is fairly objective but Adams does come off as a bit sympathetic in that his life seems to be fairly sad since all the shit came to light.
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i mean yes and no, I'm about a third of the way through it assuming there isn't a continuation link somewhere... he also doesn't really come off as apologetic about the harm he did to those he hurt. He's kind of well "I'm ruined and no one cares about me," but hasn't addressed the actual harm he did.
 
Lee Newman said:
i mean yes and no, I'm about a third of the way through it assuming there isn't a continuation link somewhere... he also doesn't really come off as apologetic about the harm he did to those he hurt. He's kind of well "I'm ruined and no one cares about me," but hasn't addressed the actual harm he did.
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I mean, he's more worried about his image with the anxiety over the photos and constant "you aren't going to kill me with this." Also, what the fuck is a crisis publicist. Why would you want that title? Why not just go work in DC? Or is this what lobbyists do when they can't make it there?
 
Lee Newman said:
I see you @avecigrec and I get you. I'm not trying to rationalize or even suggest that I will become an Adams fan again. It's just interesting. It's a philosophical struggle. First of all, we are all human. We have all done some shit that we probably wish we hadn't. There's a degree to some things for sure.

I'm also not gonna hate on anyone for not wanting to even give an audience to these fuckers. However, part of the deal here, for me, is to explore things I wouldn't other wise explore. Hell, it's the reason I usually have a couple of subscriptions to vinyl clubs and am pretty rabid about the friday thread. I could curate music to my own taste for forever, but there would be little actual discovery. There would not be moments like last night when I heard Tianna Esperanza for the first time (kind of a bad example because I am pretty sure Stupify put it there because of Valerie June - but it's not really because I wouldn't be as open to going what the hell is that, let's give it a listen if I self curated all my listening)
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I actually agree with you on all of this, and more. It's Hemmingway we don't agree on - but I'm also not gonna hate on you, @TenderLovingKiller® or anybody else for liking or loving him either! ;)
 
The bit in the article comparing Idiot Wind to Adams and the whole classic rock and Hip Hop are full of this shit is kind of what I'm talking about. I mean, I've got so many questions about Michael Jackson that it's hard for me to listen to him. I didn't sell off my Led Zeppelin albums when I found out some of the fucked up shit that Page did. I have fucking Leadbelly and Burnside albums. Meanwhile, I don't question Fleetwood Mac, but here I am discussing the merits and demons of Adams.
 
Lee Newman said:
I see you @avecigrec and I get you. I'm not trying to rationalize or even suggest that I will become an Adams fan again. It's just interesting. It's a philosophical struggle. First of all, we are all human. We have all done some shit that we probably wish we hadn't. There's a degree to some things for sure.

I'm also not gonna hate on anyone for not wanting to even give an audience to these fuckers. However, part of the deal here, for me, is to explore things I wouldn't other wise explore. Hell, it's the reason I usually have a couple of subscriptions to vinyl clubs and am pretty rabid about the friday thread. I could curate music to my own taste for forever, but there would be little actual discovery. There would not be moments like last night when I heard Tianna Esperanza for the first time (kind of a bad example because I am pretty sure Stupify put it there because of Valerie June - but it's not really because I wouldn't be as open to going what the hell is that, let's give it a listen if I self curated all my listening)
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It's such a nuanced philosophical struggle that will never be the same for every person. I mean how many jazz icons were shit people along the way?

I'm so keen on the exploration as well and knew when I got myself into this that I'll be encountering a few albums by folks I wouldn't otherwise give the time of day, but am committed to giving them a proper listen for the sake of the project, experience and discussion - it's far more enriching and may prove enlightening. And I can always return to my curmudgeonly ways unscathed after the fact, should I choose - whether my reasons are "valid" or simply a matter of having my head up my own ass, as I recognize both are in play.
 
avecigrec said:
I actually agree with you on all of this, and more. It's Hemmingway we don't agree on - but I'm also not gonna hate on you, @TenderLovingKiller® or anybody else for liking or loving him either! ;)
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Is it Hemmingway is reprehensible or he's not a great writer?

My wife and I talk about this rather frequently. She HATES Hemmingway. She adores Jane Austen. I'd rather have needles poked in my eyes than read another word of Austen ever. It's funny because from a form standpoint, they are polar opposites.... Austen writes about the woman in a time when they were treated very much as less than human. She is verbose (which is my problem with her and Dickens). Hemmingway is economical with his language and a Man's man!
 
MikeH said:
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Not even remotely familiar with this album!
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Lee Newman said:
It’s fantastic. @Yer Ol' Uncle D will agree with me.

The Trees are an interesting band. They sort of got gobbled up with the whole grunge thing but didn’t really belong. Their SST stuff is this crazy out there psychedelic surf stuff. Then they got signed and made a more straight up psychedelic album that was kind of heavy. Then Seattle blew up and they made Sweet Oblivion which is like the stereotypical grunge album. Meanwhile Lanegan started to do solo stuff and this feels more like that stuff except with the Conner brothers playing on it. This is like a dark soundtrack to a modern western.

I was obsessed with this band and have all of it on CD.
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Concur with @Lee Newman

Screaming Trees and Mark Lanegan are revered as a deity in the Uncle D music bunker. I've said here a few times before that Mark Lanegan is arguably my favorite rock vocalist. His vocal cords breathed with a sublime combination of gravel, nicotine, booze and smack. Incredible feeling and emotion in every word he sang. I'm still crushed by his passing last year.
 
avecigrec said:
It's such a nuanced philosophical struggle that will never be the same for every person. I mean how many jazz icons were shit people along the way?

I'm so keen on the exploration as well and knew when I got myself into this that I'll be encountering a few albums by folks I wouldn't otherwise give the time of day, but am committed to giving them a proper listen for the sake of the project, experience and discussion - it's far more enriching and may prove enlightening. And I can always return to my curmudgeonly ways unscathed after the fact, should I choose - whether my reasons are "valid" or simply a matter of having my head up my own ass, as I recognize both are in play.
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It's the head up my ass and my own hypocrisy that I struggle with. Why is Hemmingway okay, but fuck Adams? I don't know.

But I had a very visceral reaction to the NY Times article when it broke.

It's funny because I am one of the few defenders of Chapelle around here (in general) and I've often referred to Louis CK in those arguments. Looking at Adams, he was exactly like CK in that he basically told us what the deal was. Did we choose to listen? CK rubbed me wrong immediately. Adams didn't. It might be the egregiousness of the behavior though. Adams was manipulative but I kind of agree with him, there wasn't anything supervillainy about his behavior just scummy. CK was a fucking asshole pervert which is okay, I guess. I don't want to shame anyone over their sexual proclivities, but there is a difference with consent and power and maybe some fantasies are best left as fantasies...
 
Yer Ol' Uncle D said:
Concur with @Lee Newman

Screaming Trees and Mark Lanegan are revered as a deity in the Uncle D music bunker. I've said here a few times before that Mark Lanegan is arguably my favorite rock vocalist. His vocal cords breathed with a sublime combination of gravel, nicotine, booze and smack. Incredible feeling and emotion in every word he sang. I'm still crushed by his passing last year.
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Would love to know what @MikeH thought of it. If he didn't like it we need to convince Kevin Grey to remaster it.
 
Lee Newman said:
Is it Hemmingway is reprehensible or he's not a great writer?
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For me, it's both.

I feel like I could overlook his being a shit person with relative ease but I can't stand his writing so I don't actually feel any need to overlook his being a shit person. I've tried a couple of times at different stages of my life but at this point I'm more than happy to never read another word of his again. Steinbeck is my man for that era of American Lit. I've yet to read any Jane Austin, and really should change that. I've only read a couple from Dickens but I very much enjoyed them as well.
 
avecigrec said:
For me, it's both.

I feel like I could overlook his being a shit person with relative ease but I can't stand his writing so I don't actually feel any need to overlook his being a shit person. I've tried a couple of times at different stages of my life but at this point I'm more than happy to never read another word of his again. Steinbeck is my man for that era of American Lit. I've yet to read any Jane Austin, and really should change that. I've only read a couple from Dickens but I very much enjoyed them as well.
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You'll probably dig Austen as well then. I very much enjoy Steinbeck. My wife does not. She has a problem with Steinbeck's world view. She thinks his characters are all morally bankrupt and worthless. I'm all like well East of Eden probably wasn't the best starting point, sweetie. To be fair, she has read Of Mice and Men and Grapes of Wrath and feels similarly. It's the Grapes of Wrath that really gets me though. There is powerful humanity in that book.
 
Lee Newman said:
You'll probably dig Austen as well then. I very much enjoy Steinbeck. My wife does not. She has a problem with Steinbeck's world view. She thinks his characters are all morally bankrupt and worthless. I'm all like well East of Eden probably wasn't the best starting point, sweetie. To be fair, she has read Of Mice and Men and Grapes of Wrath and feels similarly. It's the Grapes of Wrath that really gets me though. There is powerful humanity in that book.
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Grapes of Wrath absolutely gutted me when I read it the first time. I agree East of Eden wasn't the best starting point, but I just can't see how any one can read Grapes of Wrath and feel all the characters are morally bankrupt and worthless. Not even a little bit.
 
avecigrec said:
Grapes of Wrath absolutely gutted me when I read it the first time. I agree East of Eden wasn't the best starting point, but I just can't see how any one can read Grapes of Wrath and feel all the characters are morally bankrupt and worthless. Not even a little bit.
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It's been years, but there are a couple of characters that fit and I could see how you could use that to paint a larger picture of his work.
 
Yeah, just finished the article about Adams... it's telling that the crisis publicist quit. He comes off as still manipulative. I think he might be trying to get better, but still has some work to do.
 
Lee Newman said:
The bit in the article comparing Idiot Wind to Adams and the whole classic rock and Hip Hop are full of this shit is kind of what I'm talking about. I mean, I've got so many questions about Michael Jackson that it's hard for me to listen to him. I didn't sell off my Led Zeppelin albums when I found out some of the fucked up shit that Page did. I have fucking Leadbelly and Burnside albums. Meanwhile, I don't question Fleetwood Mac, but here I am discussing the merits and demons of Adams.
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Yeah, Dolly Parton would probably be the only human left in the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame if they started to throwing people out based on how they lived their lives.
 
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