The Super Thread - All Things Marvel/DC/Etc

[TenderLovingKiller®]

I think anything beyond a meh, positive or negative; to The Garfield Spider-man is a hyperbolic over reaction. They were fine. Some elements were actually improved upon Rami’s Spider-man. The biggest issue is/was that it was all a bit superfluous, so Sony wouldn’t lose the rights.

Kinda off topic but It reminds me about how decades after the film was released, Warren Beatty, in an attempt to hold onto the rights to Dick Tracy; produced some weird TCM Special about the original movie where Beatty appeared in character as “Dick Tracy” so the rights wouldn’t fall back to the Tribune Co…and it worked!

 

[avecigrec]

I think anything beyond a meh, positive or negative; to The Garfield Spider-man is a hyperbolic over reaction. They were fine. Some elements were actually improved upon Rami’s Spider-man. The biggest issue is/was that it was all a bit superfluous, so Sony wouldn’t lose the rights.

I'm aware of my tendency to overreact, for sure, and for what it's worth I only ever watched the first Raimi and hated it too. I think I had a special kind of high expectations for Spider-Man and didn't find them met. I would be curious to revisit them some time for sure. That said, the Garfield one ranks in my top 3 least favourite 21st-century superhero movie experiences (not necessarily top 3 worst films - but my own experiences), alongside X-Men Origins: Wolverine and Batman V Superman: Dawn Of Justice.

 

[TenderLovingKiller®]

I'm aware of my tendency to overreact, for sure, and for what it's worth I only ever watched the first Raimi and hated it too. I think I had a special kind of high expectations for Spider-Man and didn't find them met. I would be curious to revisit them some time for sure. That said, the Garfield one ranks in my top 3 least favourite 21st-century superhero movie experiences (not necessarily top 3 worst films - but my own experiences), alongside X-Men Origins: Wolverine and Batman V Superman: Dawn Of Justice.

Yikes! Yeah, I didn’t even give Wolverine or Dawn Of Justice a chance. I pretty much gave up on Scott Snyder after Watchmen and Wolverine just looked terrible in the previews. I would rather watch Hugh Jackman in that Robot Boxing movie again than spend time with Wolverine.

 

[avecigrec]

Yikes! Yeah, I didn’t even give Wolverine or Dawn Of Justice a chance. I pretty much gave up on Scott Snyder after Watchmen and Wolverine just looked terrible in the previews. I would rather watch Hugh Jackman in that Robot Boxing movie again than spend time with Wolverine.

Yawn of Justice is the only Snyder movie I've seen more than 15 minutes of, and only because I had paid $17 to be there. I don't know that I loathe any other movie more. I couldn't make it more than 10 minutes into Watchmen.

For Wolverine I joined some friends last-minute who were headed to see it. I didn't expect it to be amazing, but I also didn't think it could be THAT bad!

But I would take X-Men Origins: Wolverine and Batman and Robin on an endless loop forever over anything Snyder touches ever again!

 

[gaporter]

Maybe I have a higher tolerance for bad movies but none of the movies listed so far would be in my bottom 10 cinematic experiences. The only superhero movie I can think of off the top of my head that would make that list is probably the 2015 Fantastic Four, which is legitimately one of the worst films I've ever seen. If I have to choose between that and Zack Snyder, I'm going to go Snyder every time hands down.

 

[gaporter]

While we're talking about bad movies, let me interrupt and remind everyone that Logan is an absolute powerhouse of a film. I feel like deconstructions of the superhero genre have become just as passe as superhero movies themselves at this point, but this is an example where the deconstruction really works. How you feel about the movie probably depends on how invested you are in the X-Men movies and as someone who quite literally grew up with Hugh Jackman as Wolverine (the first X-Men movie came out when I was 1), this movie is soul crushing. It's not a fun movie and can be accurately described as watching a childhood hero's health deteriorate right before your very eyes. But though the film is bleak, it ultimately carries the message that heroes will rise up when the need arises and that some things are worth saving. Logan has been described as a "swan song" for Hugh Jackman's Wolverine specifically - and for good reason obviously - but on a bigger scale I think it works as a swan song for the X-Men in general. The fact that the Fox iteration of these characters are now pretty much guaranteed to be passed over in favor of whatever the MCU has planned is perhaps a bit of real life serendipity, because this film, though at times dark and depressing, provides an oddly comforting closure to their saga.

Also, wouldn't have been way cooler if The New Mutants had been about the group of kids at the end? If not for the Disney buy-out, it would have also been a perfect way to reboot the series with some new characters.

 

[Aelias]

All of the Garfield Spider-Man movies are better than Spider-Man 3 with Maguire. In fact, there might not even be a Spider-Man 3, pretty sure it was just a fever dream I had once.

 

[Bull Shannon]

Kinda off topic but It reminds me about how decades after the film was released, Warren Beatty, in an attempt to hold onto the rights to Dick Tracy; produced some weird TCM Special about the original movie where Beatty appeared in character as “Dick Tracy” so the rights wouldn’t fall back to the Tribune Co…and it worked!

I remember hearing about this special on a podcast. Now I've googled it and found the entire thing on youtube and am forced to bring it to your attention:


I've only seen the 90s Dick Tracy once, so while I don't quite remember what angle he brought to the character then, this iteration seems to just be "Warren Beatty, but Yellow."

 

[TenderLovingKiller®]

I remember hearing about this special on a podcast. Now I've googled it and found the entire thing on youtube and am forced to bring it to your attention:

I've only seen the 90s Dick Tracy once, so while I don't quite remember what angle he brought to the character then, this iteration seems to just be "Warren Beatty, but Yellow."

Oh Christ, This is bizarre. Well, he got Leonard Maltin, how could he lose!

Kudos to Warren Beatty for pulling this off.

I also kinda rewatch Dick Tracy now.

 

[gaporter]

Y'all can hate all you want but this one scene is better than the entirety of The Amazing Spider-Man.

 

[Aelias]

That sandman scene is great though.

 

[imtheocean]

Y'all can hate all you want but this one scene is better than the entirety of The Amazing Spider-Man.

Now I want to rewatch The Mummy.

 

[Aelias]

I think anything beyond a meh, positive or negative; to The Garfield Spider-man is a hyperbolic over reaction. They were fine. Some elements were actually improved upon Rami’s Spider-man. The biggest issue is/was that it was all a bit superfluous, so Sony wouldn’t lose the rights.

I agree, I don't think the Garfield movies are anything special, pretty "meh" overall. I think they tried to stuff too much into them and didn't give the plot pieces/supporting characters enough time. I just can't handle evil Tobey, something (read: everything) about the character drives me nuts.

 

[gaporter]

Spider-Man 3 isn't perfect but god I would love so much to see a modern blockbuster movie with even half the personality and charm of the worst Raimi Spider-Man film.

 

[Selaws]

Did you guys see the Sony 'mess up' with the Brazilian trailer? Looks like they overlooked a tiny detail that likely revealed more than they wanted to.

Anyway, im hyped for it. We watched the first Toby Maguire one today in anticipation. It held up pretty well despite some less than polished CGI (hell, it was good for its day). I remember watching it in the cinema as a kid so I have always had a soft spot for it.

On a side note, anyone else think trailers reveal too much nowadays? I watched the No Way Home one because I knew 'spoilers' would get to me somehow, but honestly I feel like you could piece together the film from the amount that they showed.

 

[CroutonBoy]

Slight digression, but I just started reading "All of the Marvels" by Douglas Wolk and wanted to recommend it to this group.
All of the Marvels by Douglas Wolk: 9780735222168 | PenguinRandomHouse.com: Books

The author's basic argument is that the Marvel Universe is really just one giant, ongoing piece of literature with thousands of interconnected branches and as part of his research set out to read every Marvel comic ever published. The book speaks to the themes around the characters and how their stories and role within the canon have changed over time, as well as the impact of individual artists or story-tellers and how they add to the ongoing story. I actually just finished the chapter on Spider-Man last night, and it's got me picking up storylines I've missed over the years (I have a Marvel Unlimited subscription). If nothing else it's an interesting commentary on our collective relationship with Marvel stories and how unique and kind of incredible what Marvel comics has done over the years actually is.

 

[Jan]

Some interesting stuff in there

 

[gaporter]

I'm hoping the Blade movie with Mahershala Ali will be good, it's probably the MCU project I'm most interested in at the moment even though there's not a ton of info out about it yet. Although with it being a part of the MCU, there's not a chance they let them make it R-rated, is there?

 

[imtheocean]

Slight digression, but I just started reading "All of the Marvels" by Douglas Wolk and wanted to recommend it to this group.
All of the Marvels by Douglas Wolk: 9780735222168 | PenguinRandomHouse.com: Books

The author's basic argument is that the Marvel Universe is really just one giant, ongoing piece of literature with thousands of interconnected branches and as part of his research set out to read every Marvel comic ever published. The book speaks to the themes around the characters and how their stories and role within the canon have changed over time, as well as the impact of individual artists or story-tellers and how they add to the ongoing story. I actually just finished the chapter on Spider-Man last night, and it's got me picking up storylines I've missed over the years (I have a Marvel Unlimited subscription). If nothing else it's an interesting commentary on our collective relationship with Marvel stories and how unique and kind of incredible what Marvel comics has done over the years actually is.

I'll have to search this out. I was tempted to get the new "Story of the Marvel Universe" set, but it's very pricey. I'll wait till it comes down. But I'm impressed with how well they brought everything together through the Infinity Saga and am curious to read the background on it.

Behind the Scenes with 'The Story of Marvel Studios: The Making of the Marvel Cinematic Universe'

The quintessential collector's item is now available!

www.marvel.com

On the DC side, I found Glen Weldon's books - One on Batman, one on Superman - to be excellent reads on the history of the characters and the publics interaction with them.

The Caped Crusade

“A roaring getaway car of guilty pleasures” (The New York Times Book Review), Glen Weldon’s The Caped Crusade is a fascinating, critically acclaime...

www.simonandschuster.com

Finally crossing both Marvel and DC, Mark Evanier's book on Jack Kirby was a great read too.

Amazon product ASIN 1419727494

 

[Aelias]

I'm hoping the Blade movie with Mahershala Ali will be good, it's probably the MCU project I'm most interested in at the moment even though there's not a ton of info out about it yet. Although with it being a part of the MCU, there's not a chance they let them make it R-rated, is there?

I don't know if it's been confirmed but there are a lot of rumours online about it being PG-13. I'm with you, can't wait for it to come out. I love the Blade trilogy, so ridiculous but so fun.