Vinyl Me Please Anthology

I mean the bottom line here for me is that VMP is basically following the the tech bro internet get rich startup manual.
Announce and over promise a product with wild and vague assertions about how it will change your life, how it's never been done before, how no one has even TRIED this before and this "thing" is a must have for anyone.
Have a vague idea about how to execute said plan with only a cursory amount of solid details to back up all the wild assertions made during the sales pitch. Identify shortly afterwards that it will not be possible to live up to all the exorbitant expectations and promises that were made during the selling process, time to bring everything back in line with the budget. COMMUNITY becomes facebook group, GRAMMY NOMINATED WRITER becomes a few lines of text per album, JAZZ CLASS becomes a few web links and a couple of very thin AMAs, INCREDIBLE BOOKLET becomes cheaply bound thin stock 16 page book that ships in a manila envelope for some inexplicable reason that I can't even come up with here. The only thing I can attribute this to is an astronomically immense disregard for the customers whose money they've gladly taken, combined with almost zero knowledge of record collecting and record production from the top of the company down. It is astonishing to me that they are claiming they didn't know shipping the booklets that way would be an issue. The only conclusion I can draw from that, along with all the other snake oil they sold their customers on with this package, is that they're outright lying. They lied during the initial promotion of the product with only a vague idea of how they would attempt to back it up because they wanted your money, and because of their ability to keep details secret about the package it allowed them to adjust plans for content on the fly without the buyers knowledge. They're lying now in claiming they were rushed, or at the very least they're lying that this was some outside force being exerted on them and not just a result of their own incompetence. And they're lying when they say they'll get better. They currently have no need to. As long as they can ride their horse and buggy into town, setup shop with all their shiny bottles of elixers and tonics and make all the wild sales claims they want about what they are and how they'll effect your life and the townsfolk keep shovelling over their money; there's no need to change. Overpromise - collect money - underdeliver. It's the oldest get rich quick scheme around.

And for what it's worth I also think they've decided to try to use members here and on Reddit as influencers to the larger group by directly contacting them and feeding them info to be disseminated to the forums. It makes sense for them to do it, but I think it's just more of the same cynical marketing bullshit and I don't believe a single thing they say. If they can't even figure out that sending a booklet in a plain envelop isn't going to be a issue, then they are so far from where they need to be that I'm not sure they'll ever get there; or even have any desire to. This company again and again shows their disdain for their own consumers and how little they think or care for the people buying their products, if it was just incompetence I could maybe excuse it, but things like the CD jacket art and booklet shipping fiasco and pretty much every other error made in this set are to me outright apathy on the part of management to the consumers, this is them truly not giving a shit about anything but their monies. This one's done, time to pack up the horse and buggy and on to the next town with a whole new batch of snake oil. There's a sucker born ever minute.
 
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Very well could be that. Based on the FB group though, my gut tells me that MAYBE half of the 1000 subscribers are from VMP versus people who found out about the box through Blue Note or Billboard's link. And of those 500 or so, a lot of people were already into jazz and were going to buy the Tone Poet and other stuff whether or not this Anthology existed. I think the history/educational aspect to it was a draw for a subsection of subscribers for sure. So maybe, at best, they got a few hundred people to buy the TP that wouldn't have gotten it prior to this set.

I'm personally excited that it has gotten more people into jazz although now I have more competition on ebay auctions :LOL: It's a great time to be a jazz fan.

Yeah, totally agree with that. Which is just another way VMP (and Blue Note too) botched the anthology. I think they would've seen more "sell through" if they had kept it genuinely exclusive to VMP people, at least at first like they planned. Get more guys like me to become True Jazzbos.
 
Yeah, totally agree with that. Which is just another way VMP (and Blue Note too) botched the anthology. I think they would've seen more "sell through" if they had kept it genuinely exclusive to VMP people, at least at first like they planned. Get more guys like me to become True Jazzbos.
I am interested to see what lessons they actually learned with how the next one plays. I think that will be quite telling on how they adapt as these are less connected to the rest of their business and therefore easier to make changes to.
 
They email he referenced they followed up over the phone but I am sure your email was great and they weren't in responding

I got the same line that Storf gave us, we didn't think it would sell out so quickly, it was honestly one of the most head-scratching parts of the conversation and there were many

Why would selling out have anything to do with when the product was released?

I've enjoyed Anthology, but have definitely been disappointed with all the issues. Just seemed unnecessary TBH.
 
I'm interested in the conversations that Blue Note has had with VMP since the master-class-fuckery/high art prank that was Anthology.

Blue Note is genuinely concerned with the quality of its products. For evidence, look to every Blue Note released product besides the Anthology. I don't think they're solely in this to sell records so I'm not sure they're just content that the box sold out.

Do you think behind the scenes Don Was was calling VMP going "what the fuck are you doing?" Do you think he even knows how much VMP botched this job?
 
I mean the bottom line here to me is that VMP is basically following the the tech bro internet get rich startup manual.
Announce and over promise a product with wild and vague assertions about how it will change your life, how it's never been done before, how no one has even tried this before and this "thing" is a must have for anyone.
Have a vague idea about how to execute said plan with only a cursory amount of solid details to back up all the wild assertions made during the sales pitch. Realize shortly afterwards that it will not be possible to live up to all the wild expectations and promises that made during selling process, time to bring everything back in line with the budget. COMMUNITY becomes facebook group, GRAMMY NOMINATED WRITER becomes a few lines of text per album, JAZZ CLASS becomes a few web links and a couple of very thin AMAs, INCREDIBLE BOOKLET becomes cheaply bound thin stock 16 page book that ships in a manila envelope for some inexplicable reason that I can't even come up with here. The only thing I can attribute this to is an astronomically immense disregard for the customers whose money they've gladly taken, combined with almost zero knowledge of record collecting and record production from the top of the company down. It is astonishing to me that they are claiming they didn't know shipping the booklets that way would be an issue. The only conclusion I can draw from that, along with all the other snake oil they sold their customers on with this one is that they are outright lying. They lied during the initial promotion of the product with only a vague idea of how they would attempt to back it up because they wanted your money, and because of their ability to keep details secret about the package it allowed them to adjust plans for content on the fly without the buyers knowledge. They're lying now in claiming they were rushed, or at the very least they're lying that this was some outside force being exerted on them and not just a result of their own incompetence. And they're lying when they say they'll get better. They currently have no need to. As long as they can ride their horse and buggy into town, setup shop and with all their shiny bottles of elixers and tonics and make all the wild sales claims they want about what they are and how they'll effect your life and the townsfolk keep shovelling over their money; there's no need to change. Overpromise - collect money - underdeliver. It's the oldest get rich quick scheme around.

And for what it's worth I also think they've decided to try to use members here and on Reddit as influencers to the larger group by directly contacting them and feeding them info to be disseminated to the forums. It makes sense for them to do it, but I think it's just more of the same cynical marketing bullshit and I I don't believe a single thing they say. If they can't even figure out that sending a booklet in a plain envelop isn't going to be a issue, then they are so far from where they need to be that I I'm not sure they'll ever get there; or even have any desire to. This company again and again shows their disdain for their own consumers and how little they think or care for the people buying their products, if it was just incompetence I could maybe excuse it, but things like the CD jacket art and booklet shipping fiasco and pretty much every other error made in this set are to me outright apathy on the part of management to the consumers, this is them truly not giving a shit about anything but their monies. This one's done, time to pack up the horse and buggy and on to the next town with a whole new batch of snake oil. There's a sucker born ever minute.
Anthology marked the point where selling it out was more important than producing something of quality. And that is where they lost me. So until I see there is actually an improvement on the QC side, I'm out.
 
I'm interested in the conversations that Blue Note has had with VMP since the master-class-fuckery/high art prank that was Anthology.

Blue Note is genuinely concerned with the quality of its products. For evidence, look to every Blue Note released product besides the Anthology. I don't think they're solely in this to sell records so I'm not sure they're just content that the box sold out.

Do you think behind the scenes Don Was was calling VMP going "what the fuck are you doing?" Do you think he even knows how much VMP botched this job?
I mean...BN also put out that awful 75th anniversary series where the QC was incredibly bad, so I think they understand things. Don't know that they are entirely happy with how Anthology rolled out but I don't see how anybody places negativity on Blue Note for this one. Anything BN touched on this project came out great.
 
I mean the bottom line here to me is that VMP is basically following the the tech bro internet get rich startup manual.
Announce and over promise a product with wild and vague assertions about how it will change your life, how it's never been done before, how no one has even tried this before and this "thing" is a must have for anyone.
Have a vague idea about how to execute said plan with only a cursory amount of solid details to back up all the wild assertions made during the sales pitch. Realize shortly afterwards that it will not be possible to live up to all the wild expectations and promises that made during selling process, time to bring everything back in line with the budget. COMMUNITY becomes facebook group, GRAMMY NOMINATED WRITER becomes a few lines of text per album, JAZZ CLASS becomes a few web links and a couple of very thin AMAs, INCREDIBLE BOOKLET becomes cheaply bound thin stock 16 page book that ships in a manila envelope for some inexplicable reason that I can't even come up with here. The only thing I can attribute this to is an astronomically immense disregard for the customers whose money they've gladly taken, combined with almost zero knowledge of record collecting and record production from the top of the company down. It is astonishing to me that they are claiming they didn't know shipping the booklets that way would be an issue. The only conclusion I can draw from that, along with all the other snake oil they sold their customers on with this one is that they are outright lying. They lied during the initial promotion of the product with only a vague idea of how they would attempt to back it up because they wanted your money, and because of their ability to keep details secret about the package it allowed them to adjust plans for content on the fly without the buyers knowledge. They're lying now in claiming they were rushed, or at the very least they're lying that this was some outside force being exerted on them and not just a result of their own incompetence. And they're lying when they say they'll get better. They currently have no need to. As long as they can ride their horse and buggy into town, setup shop and with all their shiny bottles of elixers and tonics and make all the wild sales claims they want about what they are and how they'll effect your life and the townsfolk keep shovelling over their money; there's no need to change. Overpromise - collect money - underdeliver. It's the oldest get rich quick scheme around.

And for what it's worth I also think they've decided to try to use members here and on Reddit as influencers to the larger group by directly contacting them and feeding them info to be disseminated to the forums. It makes sense for them to do it, but I think it's just more of the same cynical marketing bullshit and I I don't believe a single thing they say. If they can't even figure out that sending a booklet in a plain envelop isn't going to be a issue, then they are so far from where they need to be that I I'm not sure they'll ever get there; or even have any desire to. This company again and again shows their disdain for their own consumers and how little they think or care for the people buying their products, if it was just incompetence I could maybe excuse it, but things like the CD jacket art and booklet shipping fiasco and pretty much every other error made in this set are to me outright apathy on the part of management to the consumers, this is them truly not giving a shit about anything but their monies. This one's done, time to pack up the horse and buggy and on to the next town with a whole new batch of snake oil. There's a sucker born ever minute.
To be fair, I can’t imagine anyone who works for VMP is getting rich. They seem too incompetent :ROFLMAO:
 
To be fair, I can’t imagine anyone who works for VMP is getting rich. They seem too incompetent :ROFLMAO:

Not about getting rich on this business... it's about building it up then selling it ASAP while it's actually worth something on paper. So to guys like their new CEO, it's not about making the customer happy but about ruthless efficiency.

Honestly, we should sticky that @Mather post because he's probably right. Very well said.
 
I mean...BN also put out that awful 75th anniversary series where the QC was incredibly bad, so I think they understand things. Don't know that they are entirely happy with how Anthology rolled out but I don't see how anybody places negativity on Blue Note for this one. Anything BN touched on this project came out great.
Plus Blue Note really didn’t have much stake in this. They got another company to handle and put out some great overlooked records that might not have sold well on their own (besides Shorter) and got 1000 people to buy them all in three hours. VMP handled (terribly) the logistics of it plus all of the other stuff besides a couple podcasts with Don Was. Really Blue Note just had to sign off on the releases, supply the masters and allow VMP to use their name. Great deal for Blue Note even if there were several issues with the QC in design.
 
Not about getting rich on this business... it's about building it up then selling it ASAP while it's actually worth something on paper. So to guys like their new CEO, it's not about making the customer happy but about ruthless efficiency.

Honestly, we should sticky that @Mather post because he's probably right. Very well said.
Very fair. Honestly surprised VMP hasn’t been bought out yet. If the head guys really do want to make a lot of money, now is the time to do it.
 
Why would selling out have anything to do with when the product was released?
My thought exactly, Lloyd made it seem like because they didn't expect it to sell out so quickly they would have more time to work on it. That is a dumb thought if that was the case, don't put it on sale.
So to guys like their new CEO, it's not about making the customer happy but about ruthless efficiency.
There isn't a new CEO, he is the COO, he did talk a lot about efficiency but just from talking to him I didn't get the sense he was ruthless, that was just my sense. I thought he might actually be good for VMP, but it is all yet to be seen. I hope I am right but I am not holding my breath.
 
I mean the bottom line here for me is that VMP is basically following the the tech bro internet get rich startup manual.
Announce and over promise a product with wild and vague assertions about how it will change your life, how it's never been done before, how no one has even tried this before and this "thing" is a must have for anyone.
Have a vague idea about how to execute said plan with only a cursory amount of solid details to back up all the wild assertions made during the sales pitch. Identify shortly afterwards that it will not be possible to live up to all the exorbitant expectations and promises that were made during the selling process, time to bring everything back in line with the budget. COMMUNITY becomes facebook group, GRAMMY NOMINATED WRITER becomes a few lines of text per album, JAZZ CLASS becomes a few web links and a couple of very thin AMAs, INCREDIBLE BOOKLET becomes cheaply bound thin stock 16 page book that ships in a manila envelope for some inexplicable reason that I can't even come up with here. The only thing I can attribute this to is an astronomically immense disregard for the customers whose money they've gladly taken, combined with almost zero knowledge of record collecting and record production from the top of the company down. It is astonishing to me that they are claiming they didn't know shipping the booklets that way would be an issue. The only conclusion I can draw from that, along with all the other snake oil they sold their customers on with this one is that they are outright lying. They lied during the initial promotion of the product with only a vague idea of how they would attempt to back it up because they wanted your money, and because of their ability to keep details secret about the package it allowed them to adjust plans for content on the fly without the buyers knowledge. They're lying now in claiming they were rushed, or at the very least they're lying that this was some outside force being exerted on them and not just a result of their own incompetence. And they're lying when they say they'll get better. They currently have no need to. As long as they can ride their horse and buggy into town, setup shop with all their shiny bottles of elixers and tonics and make all the wild sales claims they want about what they are and how they'll effect your life and the townsfolk keep shovelling over their money; there's no need to change. Overpromise - collect money - underdeliver. It's the oldest get rich quick scheme around.

And for what it's worth I also think they've decided to try to use members here and on Reddit as influencers to the larger group by directly contacting them and feeding them info to be disseminated to the forums. It makes sense for them to do it, but I think it's just more of the same cynical marketing bullshit and I I don't believe a single thing they say. If they can't even figure out that sending a booklet in a plain envelop isn't going to be a issue, then they are so far from where they need to be that I I'm not sure they'll ever get there; or even have any desire to. This company again and again shows their disdain for their own consumers and how little they think or care for the people buying their products, if it was just incompetence I could maybe excuse it, but things like the CD jacket art and booklet shipping fiasco and pretty much every other error made in this set are to me outright apathy on the part of management to the consumers, this is them truly not giving a shit about anything but their monies. This one's done, time to pack up the horse and buggy and on to the next town with a whole new batch of snake oil. There's a sucker born ever minute.
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I mean...BN also put out that awful 75th anniversary series where the QC was incredibly bad, so I think they understand things. Don't know that they are entirely happy with how Anthology rolled out but I don't see how anybody places negativity on Blue Note for this one. Anything BN touched on this project came out great.
Yep, but those were $20 stand alone albums.
 
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