Vinyl Me Please Essentials

I basically forgot that “The Late Greats” existed until I saw them play it live a couple of months ago. “Less Than You Think” just shouldn’t exist. Love the album, though. “At Least That’s What You Said” may be my favorite Wilco track (and I’m not the first person in this thread to say that).

In all honesty, I love the first 3 or so minutes of "Less Than You Think", and think it's essential to the album...though as already noted it would work far better as a closer...

"Your spine starts to shine
And you shiver at your soul
A fist so clear and climbing
Punches a hole
In the sky
So you can see
For yourself
If you don't believe me
There's so much less
To this than you think"

Pretty sure it is the ensuing 9 minutes of grating mechanical noise that ruin the song for most. As most Wilco fans know, Jeff has long dealt with migraines, which in part led to his painkiller addition, which he wrote about here. An excerpted quote:

"There is a lot of material that mirrored my condition. In particular there’s a piece of music - "Less Than You Think" - that ends with a...drone that was an attempt to express the slow painful rise and dissipation of migraine in music. I don’t know why anyone would need to have that expressed to them musically. But it was all I had."
 
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It’s very bittersweet to hear so many people say that they’ve tried with Radiohead and it just doesn’t work for them. On the one hand, I feel bad that they don’t share my awe of this band’s output, and, on the other, there’s hope that someday it will click, and that day will be something special.

If anyone is going to give the best band in the universe another shot, I’d say two things (which are kind of my personal guideposts for music discovery in general):

1) don’t worry about making sense of the lyrics until you’ve given yourself space and time to HEAR all of the SOUNDS; think of them as an instrumental band and try to listen to them that way; some of the most interesting parts of Radiohead songs are the zany instrumental parts that bridge the lyrical fragments in the songs; there are some bands where the lyrics hold most of the value, and Radiohead is not one of those bands -they are musicians, not storytellers

2) turn it up so you can hear the full palette of SOUNDS - Radiohead isn’t background music to put on at a party because of a vibe it projects (well maybe that’s what they were trying to do with King of Limbs...who knows), it’s an overstuffed menagerie of carefully curated sounds - if it’s not loud enough, you won’t really hear half of what’s going on in the songs

**suggested 90 mins of listening based on points 1 and 2:
- “Just” from The Bends: starts out sounding like a crisp, conventional pop/rock song (albeit with lots of different kinds of guitar sounds), but notice how it takes a meandering detour 2 mins in, and then from 3:10 or so to the end of the song just goes off the rails
- “Paranoid Android” from OK Computer - that little interlude at 2 mins in that morphs the song into something else and then weaves in and out through the next minute or so of the song and then comes back in again at like 5:39 to the end of the song
- “subterranean homesick alien” - just the first 30 seconds or so - it sounds like a magical watery world filled with bubbles
- “Climbing Up the Walls” - nice gradual build in this song and then 3:08-3:45 is just face-melting and gives me chills every time I hear it
- i think those 3-4 songs tee you up nicely to just listen to Kid A in it’s entirety and think about the POWER MOVES they are flexing throughout that album; remember, volume UP!!
- then just enjoy everything that comes next, especially: “you and whose army?” [i like to superimpose this over the battle of helm’s deep in my head and 1:48 is that magical pivot point when Gandalf shows up on the ridge with the sun and 1:55 is when they start charging down the mountain into the fray], “like spinning plates,” “i might be wrong,” “backdrifts” [a glitchy, minimalist banger], “reckoner,” but these are just personal faves and every Radiohead fan will have a radically different list.

*If at least one of these songs doesn’t make you say “holy buckets,” then I give up.
 
It’s very bittersweet to hear so many people say that they’ve tried with Radiohead and it just doesn’t work for them. On the one hand, I feel bad that they don’t share my awe of this band’s output, and, on the other, there’s hope that someday it will click, and that day will be something special.

If anyone is going to give the best band in the universe another shot, I’d say two things (which are kind of my personal guideposts for music discovery in general):

1) don’t worry about making sense of the lyrics until you’ve given yourself space and time to HEAR all of the SOUNDS; think of them as an instrumental band and try to listen to them that way; some of the most interesting parts of Radiohead songs are the zany instrumental parts that bridge the lyrical fragments in the songs; there are some bands where the lyrics hold most of the value, and Radiohead is not one of those bands -they are musicians, not storytellers

2) turn it up so you can hear the full palette of SOUNDS - Radiohead isn’t background music to put on at a party because of a vibe it projects (well maybe that’s what they were trying to do with King of Limbs...who knows), it’s an overstuffed menagerie of carefully curated sounds - if it’s not loud enough, you won’t really hear half of what’s going on in the songs

**suggested 90 mins of listening based on points 1 and 2:
- “Just” from The Bends: starts out sounding like a crisp, conventional pop/rock song (albeit with lots of different kinds of guitar sounds), but notice how it takes a meandering detour 2 mins in, and then from 3:10 or so to the end of the song just goes off the rails
- “Paranoid Android” from OK Computer - that little interlude at 2 mins in that morphs the song into something else and then weaves in and out through the next minute or so of the song and then comes back in again at like 5:39 to the end of the song
- “subterranean homesick alien” - just the first 30 seconds or so - it sounds like a magical watery world filled with bubbles
- “Climbing Up the Walls” - nice gradual build in this song and then 3:08-3:45 is just face-melting and gives me chills every time I hear it
- i think those 3-4 songs tee you up nicely to just listen to Kid A in it’s entirety and think about the POWER MOVES they are flexing throughout that album; remember, volume UP!!
- then just enjoy everything that comes next, especially: “you and whose army?” [i like to superimpose this over the battle of helm’s deep in my head and 1:48 is that magical pivot point when Gandalf shows up on the ridge with the sun and 1:55 is when they start charging down the mountain into the fray], “like spinning plates,” “i might be wrong,” “backdrifts” [a glitchy, minimalist banger], “reckoner,” but these are just personal faves and every Radiohead fan will have a radically different list.

*If at least one of these songs doesn’t make you say “holy buckets,” then I give up.
Love the passion and thought gone into this post appreciate it 👌🏼

I will try again bearing it all in mind.

I'll wait until I am on the right wavelength to try it though, currently rotating Roots, Saba, Mac Miller, Megan Thee Stallion, DaBaby & Jigga so switching into that straight away would not be giving it a fair chance.

I hope I dont have to come back here and tell you this band is 💩 and I was right all along 🤔

😂😂😂 I'm only joking. I've never actually said that about them 😂 just that I couldn't click with them. thanks again 🍻
 
Love the passion and thought gone into this post appreciate it 👌🏼

I will try again bearing it all in mind.

I'll wait until I am on the right wavelength to try it though, currently rotating Roots, Saba, Mac Miller, Megan Thee Stallion, DaBaby & Jigga so switching into that straight away would not be giving it a fair chance.

I hope I dont have to come back here and tell you this band is 💩 and I was right all along 🤔

😂😂😂 I'm only joking. I've never actually said that about them 😂 just that I couldn't click with them. thanks again 🍻

I’m glad you’re going to try it out! I hope it’s a fun experiment and doesn’t feel like homework haha.

I should add that everything I posted is entirely subjective to what unlocked Radiohead’s music for me, but every fan is going to have different recommendations. I’m sure there are people who just like listening to it really quietly and reading along with the lyrics haha.
 
I’m glad you’re going to try it out! I hope it’s a fun experiment and doesn’t feel like homework haha.

I should add that everything I posted is entirely subjective to what unlocked Radiohead’s music for me, but every fan is going to have different recommendations. I’m sure there are people who just like listening to it really quietly and reading along with the lyrics haha.
No I get that 100%. I'm open to new music (new to me even if it's old lol). over the years I've been backtracking on things I didnt enjoy previously and end up loving as I got older same with movies. I just gotta free my mind and go all in for it. Let it digest. I haven't been able to before on a few attempts thats all
 
I’m glad you’re going to try it out! I hope it’s a fun experiment and doesn’t feel like homework haha.

I should add that everything I posted is entirely subjective to what unlocked Radiohead’s music for me, but every fan is going to have different recommendations. I’m sure there are people who just like listening to it really quietly and reading along with the lyrics haha.

Yeah completely. They just have so many bloody great songs that everyone can have a different entry point. Hell The Bends is pretty much 12 singles in some ways. It was first hearing My Iron Lung when a friend lent me the 8 track EP (the days of swapping CDs for a week or so with your school mates) and then the whole of OK Computer when it came very soon afterwards that made me first sit up and pay attention!
 
Yeah completely. They just have so many bloody great songs that everyone can have a different entry point. Hell The Bends is pretty much 12 singles in some ways. It was first hearing My Iron Lung when a friend lent me the 8 track EP (the days of swapping CDs for a week or so with your school mates) and then the whole of OK Computer when it came very soon afterwards that made me first sit up and pay attention!
This conversation prompted me to listen to In Rainbows on my way to work this morning. It’s still my favorite Radiohead album, Weird Fishes is such a jam. This tour was so great, too.
 
Did you not get the mega super hype of them in Germany at the time then? The music press in the Uk went absolutely insane on The Strokes and they were hyped beyond belief. I know the old NME used to love to pick totem band but I don’t think they ever hyped, or actually still hype in some ways, anyone as much as first few albums The Strokes. Their debut came out just before I went to uni, or maybe even in my first few weeks there, and they definitely felt like they were supposed to be the second coming at that time.

Personally, nah, not even close. If it’s indie/rock it’s probably Radiohead because they are innovative and good, traversed the entire period and also shift colossal amounts of units too.

Libertines were hyped more than The Strokes. The Strokes were better than them.
 
Weird Fishes is my all time favorite Radiohead song from the all time best Radiohead album, In Rainbows. (Kid A a very very close second).

Also this Bitte Orca pressing sounds incredible. Almost like hearing it for the first time. Can’t believe how much is lost, there is so much going on I never really heard before. I thought my turntable was being weird.
 
Did anyone else have noisy copies of The Soft Bulletin? I know I'm a few months late to the party, but both discs of mine were noisy. Really getting tired of doing the whole replacement game.
Yup. I'm on copy 3 and side 3 is noisy on all of them. Mainly second and third song. Most recent one only has a few pops on them so I'll probably just deal with it because I'm tired of assuming for replacements. But yes, it was definitely a problematic pressing, like everything that comes out of GZ.
 
Yup. I'm on copy 3 and side 3 is noisy on all of them. Mainly second and third song. Most recent one only has a few pops on them so I'll probably just deal with it because I'm tired of assuming for replacements. But yes, it was definitely a problematic pressing, like everything that comes out of GZ.

Argh. I've had such good luck with the Aretha one that I didn't even bother doing the research. My side 2 and 3 are both noisy, especially 3 on the side you refer to (audible non-fill BS for me). At least they do replacements easily, but still a headache.
 
Argh. I've had such good luck with the Aretha one that I didn't even bother doing the research. My side 2 and 3 are both noisy, especially 3 on the side you refer to (audible non-fill BS for me). At least they do replacements easily, but still a headache.
Yeah I'd imagine they have a lot of copies of this one so just keep going till you get a good one. I might still get another, my most recent replacement is the best of the bunch so far... but still not really acceptable.
 
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