Vinyl Me Please Essentials

Not exactly. My point is that if they shuffle traffic they can keep more people rather than tell anyone to go away.

What I don't know is whether they can make the investment to make that work. I don't think it's much more...

e.g. if a thread turns bitter and gets railroaded on a topic. Thread the topic and direct people to the "I'm pissed about the latest whatever tread." I might end up there myself if I have a bad experience LOL

I'm super new, but my initial impression of the mods was not positive. I felt things got off topic too easy in every forum. Many became the same complaints in every tread. I waded past it, I bet some didn't. Look if that's what they want they should just do it. Then I'll have to decide if I want to stick around. I'd imagine it dies down anyway soon.

All I'm saying is I don't get the logic of a vote. If there are two groups of people hanging around that seems like a net positive. Make room for both and direct traffic. If the mods don't want to, or don't have time to then just start shutting down what you don't want and folks will leave.

The very idea that they are concerned with losing traffic enough to create a vote indicates that they DON'T actually want to run anyone off. If that's the case the easier solution is creating threads as needed and directing traffic. JMO


We are on the same page, they aren't making the decision to appeal to everyone as it seems they are inclined the other way. They are debating a vote instead of just siding with the majority. Therefore if we have to vote to show the majority then so be it.

We are taking different paths to the same solution. (y)
 
Does a convo go here about whether current black vinyl version of WAPhoenix is worth a duplicate based on analogue sourcing alone? Spinning now and not sure what I want to listen for to identify reasons to double up...
That’s funny, that’s exactly what I’m doing right now, too. I feel like the black vinyl version seems dull in sound. I’m trying to convince myself I don’t need the VMP version, but I’m curious how much better it sounds.
 
I just came here to post about how I'm glad they picked Phoenix as the Essentials for 3 reasons:
1) I already own Libertines "Up the Bracket" which for a while was the "best guess" in the guess thread, and I didn't want a second copy of it, but I would have wanted to get it just because it's such a great album and I would have worried that VMP's release would be "better" somehow than the one I have. I spun it just now and it is so great guys. Boys in the Band? Horror Show? The Good Old Days? The Boy Looked At Johnny? So many good songs.
2) I didn't want to extend my subscription past June which is the end of my 3-month billing cycle, and allows me to swap for the last few records that I didn't have and wanted. I haven't ruled out re-upping next month depending on the records, but it feels good to know I CAN make a clean break if there's nothing speaking to me.
3) I revisited that Phoenix album like three times through this week and, yeah I really don't need it on vinyl. The first two tracks sound amazing and then the rest of the tracks sound like recycled versions of those first two tracks.
 
I definitely have albums (even minty new ones...cough... new National...cough) that I pine for upgrades. But WAP doesn't scream for one. Maybe that kind of trippy jam on side 2 might get more revelatory.
Someone told me the mixes tend to be 5 or better on a scale where 1 = no improvement and 10 = Blow my socks off. It kept me in on the Rosetta Tharpe album which I own a reissue of.

Don't know if that helps. The mix is very even on WAD Phoenix as it's pop. I can see where mastering it could help as there is a lot going on. That said I've no idea how your reissue sounds.

EDIT: I realize it's not "Pop", but yeah... it's pop.
 
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Ohhhh, I *do* remember now that you mention the desire for people to take the complaining to other threads. I guess the part I don’t get is getting other people’s opinions on what to swap for: I take it that it’s less about the music and more about the strategy of picking wisely vis-a-vis value & inventory?
I just need to understand why if you want to swap the Essentials pick it can't be discussed in the Essentials thread, and so on for the other 2 tracks? Not a statement, an honest question.

FWIW I found the swaptions thread very valuable MOSTLY because it was in its own place, separate from everything else. When you have a 2-3 day swaptions window and you're not sure exactly which records will be in there, it felt like crunch time every month making those decisions [maybe this isn't as much an issue for people anymore though]. I could stream the albums on spotify (for the most part) to decide on the music itself, but it was helpful to pop into that thread to get feedback on things like pressing quality, packaging quality, whether it's just a color variant or was remastered [that info was harder to find for some of the older ROTMs], which you don't have time to wade through each of the album discussion threads to get a quick general sense of. We have a group of hundreds if not thousands of people on the forum who might have ALL of the records you're deciding between, and it's helpful if you can see a general consensus in their comments that VMP's pressing of Charlie Rouse was more special than The National "Boxer" etc when all you know is that you like the music about equally well.

It's also interesting to see which records people recommended out of a head-to-head matchup of two or more releases, based on the question posed in the thread. It's a sometimes very repetitive version of "would you rather?" and the answers and rationale offered were really interesting. And people's answers change over time as they spend time with the records. It's hard to gauge those things from guess threads. For example, when I correctly guessed Feist's "Let It Die" [ironically, I'm never going to let anyone forget about that] the reaction in the thread ranged from "definitely swapping this month" to "hmm that's an interesting choice, she has better records, but I'll check it out and see what they do with it". But in the swaptions thread, lots of people were talking about how it was one of the best ROTMs from last year, because they'd actually seen the finished product and had time to process it in the comfort of their home.

Eugh! Swaption/ROTM chess talk was definitely one of my least favourite topics of conversation over there...

This is another good reason for swaption talk to be a separate thread.

In closing, I know I posted a lot here, but I'm fine with any decision the mods make. In general, though, I think the more threads, the better for everyone, right? Makes it easier to keep things on topic and stay current on the discussions I want to follow, while avoiding discussions I don't want to see. If people justifiably don't want the Vinyl Clubs section to be dominated by VMP, lets create more threads for other vinyl clubs and if there aren't that many more that people want to discuss, then lets start some (more) of our own. I think the best way to give VMP a middle finger and/or encourage newer forum users to look elsewhere is by showing them more and better options rather than trying to minimize/hide the one we're all most familiar with.
 
I just need to understand why if you want to swap the Essentials pick it can't be discussed in the Essentials thread, and so on for the other 2 tracks? Not a statement, an honest question.

@Ericj32 said it best, so I’ll just add my personal experience: I don’t feel like I subscribe to any specific track. I just treat my plan as a monthly VMP subscription, which I use to select the best available album to me. And when I don’t like any of the 3 main subs’ options, it doesn’t follow that I know which of the swaptions are optimal for me. Like, if I already decided I don’t want Sister Rosetta, why would I discuss it in the Sister Rosetta/Classics thread?
 
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