Ghost
Original Resident Ghost
"No there aren't"
You sound very sure of yourself for someone who's wrong lmfao.
I'm not even aruging the R.A.P Music debate, but that's an absolutely ridiculous statement to make with such conviction.
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You sound very sure of yourself for someone who's wrong lmfao.
I'm not even aruging the R.A.P Music debate, but that's an absolutely ridiculous statement to make with such conviction.
dhodo
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Yes I would agree that out of the context of how you regard any person's opinion, any adjective they use to describe how much they like something is worthless.
walkingdogs
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So is saying this... "there are countless examples of albums that are now considered classic that didn't sell well or gain popularity upon release."
And then you go and do the exact same thing you accused me of by saying this "You sound very sure of yourself for someone who's wrong lmfao."
Ghost
Original Resident Ghost
I think most people here would agree that that’s pretty well understood?
TenderLovingKiller®
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Pet Sounds
TenderLovingKiller®
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“Classic” is a fairly subjective term and when applied to art, constantly evolving.
yukbon
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yes, it did not sell well or review well when released, but you'll find it hard to argue that it's been an underground slow burner that no one's been talking about. I remember people raving about it in interviews and whenever anyone had any songs with vocal harmonies. REM's "Reveal" was basically Mike Mills' trying to stuff his love of Pet Sounds into Peter Buck and Michael Stipe.
TenderLovingKiller®
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Yup! This was my point exactly.
NathanRicaud
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R.A.P. Music is a classic! The eruptive, violent, explosive, fiery opener “Big Beast” is a volcanic, MONSTER banger!!! It is the best workout song ever!
And that’s just the start of the album! The rapid fire rhymes, woozy, old school and bombastic production and the aggressive energy from Killer Mike on R.A.P. music is untouchable! R.A.P. Music is a modern classic and like others have pointed out, it’s seen as many as a classic in the hip-hop community!
NathanRicaud
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Britney Spears - Blackout; a perfect example of a modern-ish classic that was well overlooked for a long time! It happens!
JonnyH
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What are you talking about? Blackout sold 3 million copies the first year it was out. It was certified gold in the US 2 weeks after the release date.
NathanRicaud
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But many fans at the time, including reviewers, had mixed opinions on the album critically. The album received very mixed reviews, and many thought Blackout was the end of Britney Spears career, just like with Kanye West and 808’s & Heartbreak. The difference is that 808’s & Heartbreak attracted a whole different audience and was seen as a masterpiece by many. Britney Spears’ Blackout on the other hand didn’t gain a new dedicated audience. Many thought the album was disappointing!
Danja’s dark and futuristic production paired with Britney Spears’ monotone, sexually unapologetic tone was viewed quite negatively but now, it’s widely considered a masterpiece of an album! Pitchfork called it a masterpiece, it recently got listed in RollingStones top 500 albums of all-time and all in all, Blackout is a naughty, kinky, club-ready album that’s sexalicious!!!
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JonnyH
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But many fans at the time, including reviewers, had mixed opinions on the album critically. The album received very mixed reviews, and many thought Blackout was the end of Britney Spears career, just like with Kanye West and 808’s & Heartbreak. The difference is that 808’s & Heartbreak attracted a whole different audience and was seen as a masterpiece by many. Britney Spears’ Blackout on the other hand didn’t gain a new dedicated audience. Many thought the album was disappointing!
Danja’s dark and futuristic production paired with Britney Spears’ monotone, sexually unapologetic tone was viewed quite negatively but now, it’s widely considered a masterpiece of an album! Pitchfork called it a masterpiece, it recently got listed in RollingStones top 500 albums of all-time and all in all, Blackout is a naughty, kinky, club-ready album that’s sexalicious!!!
There's a difference between: in the future we can look back and see just how insanely influential this record was on the next decade plus of dance music.
And: "overlooked at the time"
Blackout is much more in the first category.
duke86fan
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fucking abbey road was considered a bad album when it first came out.. now its considered the greatest thing the beatles ever made
pinkerton was a major failure but it sparked an entire generation of emo music
808s and heartbreak was considered a step down but now is so influential it has EARNED classic
hell as recently as carly rae jepsen e-mo-tion (most reviewers were about a 6 or 7/10) was not THAT well received when it first came out and now she is an indie darling
JonnyH
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But many fans at the time, including reviewers, had mixed opinions on the album critically. The album received very mixed reviews, and many thought Blackout was the end of Britney Spears career, just like with Kanye West and 808’s & Heartbreak. The difference is that 808’s & Heartbreak attracted a whole different audience and was seen as a masterpiece by many. Britney Spears’ Blackout on the other hand didn’t gain a new dedicated audience. Many thought the album was disappointing!
Danja’s dark and futuristic production paired with Britney Spears’ monotone, sexually unapologetic tone was viewed quite negatively but now, it’s widely considered a masterpiece of an album! Pitchfork called it a masterpiece, it recently got listed in RollingStones top 500 albums of all-time and all in all, Blackout is a naughty, kinky, club-ready album that’s sexalicious!!!
I dont trust Ye fans who don't like 808s.
yukbon
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I don't know where you get that from. 808s got positive reviews everywhere. NPR gave it a good review.
duke86fan
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ok how about another album that critics legitimately underplayed the opinion on until it turned out to be a huge classic
oasis "(whats the story) morning glory"
after people really liked definitely maybe, people were thinking whats the story wasn't as impactful and more generic and lackluster.. then it turned out to sell gangbusters and end up being possibly the best (or at least 3rd best) britpop album ever made... so much that when be here now came out all those critics gobbled it up so hard when in retrospect it turned out to be considered horrible
NathanRicaud
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I said 808’s & Heartbreak got positive reviews, but amongst Kanye West fans it got very mixed reviews!
I agree with what you’ve said here actually! I think because Killer Mike has been in the game for so long and has never released a Classic, that it was easy for R.A.P. Music to go under the radar! But R.A.P. Music probably motivated Killer Mike and El-P to create Run The Jewels!
R.A.P. Music is a classic but Killer Mike is a pretty underrated rapper unfortunately in my opinion. R.A.P Music is political and violent and was ahead of its time and it’s a hip-hop album that has aged very well!
yeah, critics may have said different but I remember when 808s came out, Kanye fans were real mixed about it. At first it seemed like it would be Kanyes first mistep, as opposed to a huge gamechanger
NathanRicaud
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Exactly! It wasn’t seen as a game changer at the time like Kendrick Lamar’s To Pimp A Butterfly! I remember at the time most people thought Kanye West lost his mind (potentially due to his Mother passing away)! Kanye West fans were scared that he changed and wouldn’t recover. His next album, My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy proved many Kanye fans wrong however!