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Melt Face Molly Drop said:
Not surprising to me. Lizzo was/is body positive and sex positive but also made the mistake in thinking everyone she surrounded herself with was of the same mind. Add in the fact that she runs a business and you’ve now got yourself a toxic Ellen situation.
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Reading the allegations initially "Ellen situation" was exactly what I was thinking. It doesn't sound like Lizzo is a great boss, and in an inversion of Ellen's coldness, crossed lines with people who are employees, not friends. But some of the charges (false imprisonment) feel like ginned-up versions of the truth, and one can't help but think they're bitter ex-employees hoping for a payday.
Melt Face Molly Drop said:
Obligatory empty statement has arrived. Didn’t really address much of anything.

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That said, this is a bad statement. This is some DARVO shit; even if she's insisting she's not playing the victim, the whole thrust of the statement is "I don't like how this makes me look/feel." It always stuns me when people think saying "those people are terrible and you shouldn't believe them" comes across better than saying nothing.

The whole thing feels weird; I've had shaky feelings about Lizzo for a while, much like what Lee's describing. Some of the positivity has felt false, and it's especially felt like her shift to the mainstream coincided with her pivot towards positivity in a way that felt mercenary. But because her overall impact has been positive, I've never wanted to yuck anyone's yum.
 
Bull Shannon said:
It doesn't sound like Lizzo is a great boss, and in an inversion of Ellen's coldness, crossed lines with people who are employees, not friends.
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Spot on. We’re beginning to see people that are famous and good performers/artists being held accountable for the fact that they’re not good managers of people and/or possess adequate business acumen.
 
jamieanderson1968 said:
I took the "false imprisonment" allegation to be that their passports were taken from them/held by the tour manager while on the European tour
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I mean there are all kinds of statements and charges circulating out there that are out of context and make no sense.

It kind of goes back to the sportskeeda nonsense. Journalism seems to be at a low point. I’ve read a couple of articles about this Lizzo suit; and they are either poorly written or show a bias. Maybe if things weren’t half assed reported celebrities wouldn’t feel the need to knee jerk make stupid statements.

I don’t know. It just all makes me sad.
 
Fleetwood-Matt said:
www.stereogum.com

Noname Responds To Jay Electronica Backlash: “I’m Not Going To Apologize For A Verse I Didn’t Write”

Noname released her new album, Sundial, last Friday, and though it has been generally well-received, there have been criticisms of Jay Electronica’s verse on “Balloons.” Noname previously defended Jay Electronica’s inclusion on the album back when the tracklist was revealed, after some raised...
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She is truly a POS and I’m beyond pissed about this
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Yeah I was out on her once she said she had too many white fans or something to that effect. Like what?
 
Fleetwood-Matt said:
www.stereogum.com

Noname Responds To Jay Electronica Backlash: “I’m Not Going To Apologize For A Verse I Didn’t Write”

Noname released her new album, Sundial, last Friday, and though it has been generally well-received, there have been criticisms of Jay Electronica’s verse on “Balloons.” Noname previously defended Jay Electronica’s inclusion on the album back when the tracklist was revealed, after some raised...
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She is truly a POS and I’m beyond pissed about this
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This all really bums me out. Her last two records are so good and special. Don't even feel like listening to this one. Questioning defending her the last couple years even.
 
Noname has always been the epitome of an “I don’t owe you shit” personality. The way she goes about it unapologetically almost feels like her defense mechanism. This probably wouldn’t have made as big of waves had Jay’s verse not been so controversially pointed. I’m torn.
 
Wades into the discourse

I’m having trouble finding a definitive reading of JE’s lyrics as being truly antisemitic and not just suffused with loaded imagery and terminology (the sportskeeda article includes a tweet which seems to be troubled by mention of the pope), all capped with an uncomfortable association with the Nation of Islam.

For example, I found this interview/analysis which acknowledges the fraught waters he’s playing in, but also (for example) why use of Farrakhan’s speeches may have more overt pro-black significance:

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A Jewish Conversation About Rapper Jay Electronica’s Controversial Debut Album

Jewish News editor Andrew Lapin also contributed to this article What’s in ‘A Written Testimony’? This March, rapper Jay Electronica released his debut studio album, A Written Testimony. The album,
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“I’m just asking questions and trying to understand both sides!” was all you could catch on the wind as the rapids swept him far out to sea.

(truly, I ask this as someone who is having trouble feeling confident about any which perspective on this, not someone defending their stanning with “we just don’t know” bad-faith)
 
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