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MikeyP said:
It sounds worse than the speculation.

variety.com

‘Upstream Color’ Director Shane Carruth Accused of Abusing Ex-Girlfriend

"Upstream Color" and "Primer" director Shane Carruth is accused of sending threatening emails to director Amy Seimetz after they broke up.
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Well there goes me being a fan of his. I can't support that shit. I loved Upstream Color, but it's not worth holding that up when he's so tied into it. Like, he directed, wrote, starred in, and did the score for it. It's too hard to separate the art from the artist. So fuck it. This also is interesting cause it does possibly show why it's been so hard for him to make a new film. Now I don't even want that. I'd rather support Amy Seimetz's work.
 
Djxfactor511 said:
Mark Kozelek

pitchfork.com

Mark Kozelek of Sun Kil Moon Accused of Sexual Misconduct by Three Women

Sources tell Pitchfork the acclaimed songwriter exposed himself without consent, forced a woman to touch his penis, and pressured a 19-year-old into nonconsensual sex
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Joe Mac said:
This isn’t surprising in the slightest given his past history, the way he harassed the music journalist Laura Snapes about 5 years back was pretty gross too.
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True. But...
Were there signs he was a misogynistic abusive asshole prior to 2014? If there were, I must have had my fan boy blinders on. It sure seemed like he flipped a switch around that time, and let whatever demons he'd kept on a leash up to that point, run rampant. Take a run through the Red House Painters catalog, or put on Ghosts of the Great Highway (an album that soundtracked much of my 20's) and THEN look at what this man has become, and tell me it's not a shocker. He spent decades wearing the mask of one of the good ones. And I know I'm not alone when I say I have vivid memories that have his music woven into the DNA that are now ethereal effigy's, I'm incapable of burning. Too many car rides with Lily and Parrots blasting out open windows. Too many stoned singalongs to Carry Me Ohio. Talent needs a better screening process. Reading that story made it clear how dangerous someone like Kozelec can be. Because he spent decades grooming us to trust him.
 
MikeyP said:
True. But...
Were there signs he was a misogynistic abusive asshole prior to 2014? If there were, I must have had my fan boy blinders on. It sure seemed like he flipped a switch around that time, and let whatever demons he'd kept on a leash up to that point, run rampant. Take a run through the Red House Painters catalog, or put on Ghosts of the Great Highway (an album that soundtracked much of my 20's) and THEN look at what this man has become, and tell me it's not a shocker. He spent decades wearing the mask of one of the good ones. And I know I'm not alone when I say I have vivid memories that have his music woven into the DNA that are now ethereal effigy's, I'm incapable of burning. Too many car rides with Lily and Parrots blasting out open windows. Too many stoned singalongs to Carry Me Ohio. Talent needs a better screening process. Reading that story made it clear how dangerous someone like Kozelec can be. Because he spent decades grooming us to trust him.
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Yeah I mean I don’t know and I think it’s almost entirely irrelevant. I’m not shocked now because that happened then.

I’m not a fan because when people started recommending them I googled, found that and thought nah, I’ll pass, there are enough shitbags in my collection that I found out about after I got into their music.
 
Yeah, I'm not aware of any warning signs before 2014 or so, whenever he lashed out at that journalist, had that immature spat with the War on Drugs, etc. I don't know if the success of Benji led to him feeling like he could do no wrong, or validated all his bullshit, or what. Everything he put out post-Benji was basically unlistenable and so entirely self-indulgent. Ghosts of the Great Highway was one of my favourite albums of all time, but I'll be putting it away. Hope the victims are doing okay.
 
Joe Mac said:
Yeah I mean I don’t know and I think it’s almost entirely irrelevant. I’m not shocked now because that happened then.

I’m not a fan because when people started recommending them I googled, found that and thought nah, I’ll pass, there are enough shitbags in my collection that I found out about after I got into their music.
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Yeah it's clearly not relevant to anyone post Benji, when he was practically advertising the fact he was a monster from neon lit signage. My question was more based in fandom (specifically, my own). Our idol culture (among other things) has led to countless abuses of human life, so I certainly think it's worth looking at to gain some perspective. I know I've been guilty of turning a blind eye to many instances where there were signs I only saw in hindsight (Louis CK being the most obvious), because I was blinded by talent. And personally I've found that discussing this stuff can really expose some of your own hypocrisies, which can hopefully lead to a change for the positive.
 
MikeyP said:
True. But...
Were there signs he was a misogynistic abusive asshole prior to 2014? If there were, I must have had my fan boy blinders on. It sure seemed like he flipped a switch around that time, and let whatever demons he'd kept on a leash up to that point, run rampant. Take a run through the Red House Painters catalog, or put on Ghosts of the Great Highway (an album that soundtracked much of my 20's) and THEN look at what this man has become, and tell me it's not a shocker. He spent decades wearing the mask of one of the good ones. And I know I'm not alone when I say I have vivid memories that have his music woven into the DNA that are now ethereal effigy's, I'm incapable of burning. Too many car rides with Lily and Parrots blasting out open windows. Too many stoned singalongs to Carry Me Ohio. Talent needs a better screening process. Reading that story made it clear how dangerous someone like Kozelec can be. Because he spent decades grooming us to trust him.
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I mean, I have a friend who met him at the coffee shop she was working at, went to hang out with him at his house because she loved his music and within 10 minutes he whipped his dick out. This was in 2007.
 
MikeyP said:
True. But...
Were there signs he was a misogynistic abusive asshole prior to 2014? If there were, I must have had my fan boy blinders on. It sure seemed like he flipped a switch around that time, and let whatever demons he'd kept on a leash up to that point, run rampant. Take a run through the Red House Painters catalog, or put on Ghosts of the Great Highway (an album that soundtracked much of my 20's) and THEN look at what this man has become, and tell me it's not a shocker. He spent decades wearing the mask of one of the good ones. And I know I'm not alone when I say I have vivid memories that have his music woven into the DNA that are now ethereal effigy's, I'm incapable of burning. Too many car rides with Lily and Parrots blasting out open windows. Too many stoned singalongs to Carry Me Ohio. Talent needs a better screening process. Reading that story made it clear how dangerous someone like Kozelec can be. Because he spent decades grooming us to trust him.
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In 2010-2011 I saw him at the Neptune and he very uncomfortably harassed a woman in the front of the audience for most of the show. That was when I started to pull away from him as a fan.
 
Melt Face Molly Drop said:
Talk about doubling down. Who was it that used to have an Unknown Hinson avatar that helped with the gear thread? Wonder how he’s doing

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that's what he gets for "coming for Saint Dolly Parton and getting his dusty old ass handed to him," as stated in Wikipedia. his whole meltdown has been wild.

wasn't that Chupacabra on the old forum?
 
mdmost said:
It is a little wild to watch people detonate their own careers with some weird need to throw out an edgy opinion and poke the bear. Then you're mad when the bear rips your face off.
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It really is bizarre. Like, the amount of self hate you have to possess and never had to come to terms with and then to see it all implode publicly — is just both very sad and bizarre.
 
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