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RenegadeMonster said:
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Don’t “Flatten the Curve,” stop it!

You have all seen a version of this curve of COVID-19 case loads by now:
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There's some good points in that article but it's making some really broad assumptions about those graphics. I certainly didn't take them to mean that there is nothing to worry about as long as people wash their hands. The point about the misleading scale on the graphs is a good one for those who haven't read any of the articles most newspapers have published that outline possible need for ICU beds vs number available.

I think he is dreaming if he thinks that any Western country is going to, or even can, clamp down as hard as China did on containment. Saying, "don't bother telling your friends to practice social distancing and extra careful hygiene to flatten the curve, just tell the government to stop letting people leave their houses/towns" is weird. Why not both? Individuals in the public have no control over the latter. Nevermind the fact that 100% containment, even in China, is impossible, and only serves as a possibly more effective method of flattening the curve. A curve of some degree must play itself out either way, unless you assume at some point a full cure is discovered, which will abruptly end the curve, but seems unlikely.
 
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RenegadeMonster said:
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www.nytimes.com

He Has 17,700 Bottles of Hand Sanitizer and Nowhere to Sell Them (Published 2020)

Amazon cracked down on coronavirus price gouging. Now, while the rest of the world searches, some sellers are holding stockpiles of sanitizer and masks.
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He added, “Just because it cost me $2 in the store doesn’t mean it’s not going to cost me $16 to get it to your door.”

But what about the morality of hoarding products that can prevent the spread of the virus, just to turn a profit?

Mr. Colvin said he was simply fixing “inefficiencies in the marketplace.” Some areas of the country need these products more than others, and he’s helping send the supply toward the demand.

“There’s a crushing overwhelming demand in certain cities right now,” he said. “The Dollar General in the middle of nowhere outside of Lexington, Ky., doesn’t have that.”

He thought about it more. “I honestly feel like it’s a public service,” he added. “I’m being paid for my public service.”

As for his stockpile, Mr. Colvin said he would now probably try to sell it locally. “If I can make a slight profit, that’s fine,” he said. “But I’m not looking to be in a situation where I make the front page of the news for being that guy who hoarded 20,000 bottles of sanitizer that I’m selling for 20 times what they cost me.”
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Skalap said:
In the middle of all this madness of people buying thousands of paper rolls "just in case", some people keep taking right and wise decisions.

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I just got back from the grocery store. All of the following items were completely sold out:

  • Toilet Paper
  • Paper Towels
  • Disinfectant Wipes
  • Cleaning Supplies
  • Bread
  • Eggs
  • Beans
  • Soups.
  • Pasta
  • Pasta Sauce
  • Canned Tomatoes
  • Ramen Noodles
  • Rice
  • Bottled Water (They did have gallon jugs on pallets up front though)
  • Chicken (Of any kind whatsoever)
  • Ground Beef
  • Tortillas
  • Potato Chips
  • Certain Canned Vegetables (There was still canned peas and other oddball stuff).
  • Frozen Pizzas
  • TV Dinners
  • Frozen meals like Lean Cuisine
  • Soda
  • Seltzer
  • Frozen Vegetables

    And that's just what I noticed
 
RenegadeMonster said:
I just got back from the grocery store. All of the following items were completely sold out:

  • Toilet Paper
  • Paper Towels
  • Disinfectant Wipes
  • Cleaning Supplies
  • Bread
  • Eggs
  • Beans
  • Soups.
  • Pasta
  • Pasta Sauce
  • Canned Tomatoes
  • Ramen Noodles
  • Rice
  • Bottled Water (They did have gallon jugs on pallets up front though)
  • Chicken (Of any kind whatsoever)
  • Ground Beef
  • Tortillas
  • Potato Chips
  • Certain Canned Vegetables (There was still canned peas and other oddball stuff).
  • Frozen Pizzas
  • TV Dinners
  • Frozen meals like Lean Cuisine
  • Soda
  • Seltzer
  • Frozen Vegetables

    And that's just what I noticed
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I guess I'm no longer surprised by stuff like this, just scared. I'm reluctant to go, but by Monday we will be needing some items. It wasn't a great scene when I went on Thursday, I can only imagine what the stores will be like when I finally go.

I can't fully embrace getting carry-out because the cooks in restaurants could certainly be carrying and passing the virus along without realizing they have It, right? This is starting to freak me out.
 
ranbalam said:
I can't fully embrace getting carry-out because the cooks in restaurants could certainly be carrying and passing the virus along without realizing they have It, right? This is starting to freak me out.
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100%. Especially with health care and insursnce structured as they are, lower-income people are less likely to skip work and get tested even if they have symptoms. That is (was) a public health disaster waiting to happen.
 
Went to the grocery store last night as that’s our usual routine. Just picking up the stuff for meals for the next week, not panicking about specific items.

but damn...most stuff was in stock normally. What wasn’t? Soup, sparkling water, and toilet paper. There was literally no toilet paper. Can someone explain to me why this is a hot ticket item? What are people expecting? How do you not already have a lot of toilet paper? I don’t get it
 
Bennnnn said:
Went to the grocery store last night as that’s our usual routine. Just picking up the stuff for meals for the next week, not panicking about specific items.

but damn...most stuff was in stock normally. What wasn’t? Soup, sparkling water, and toilet paper. There was literally no toilet paper. Can someone explain to me why this is a hot ticket item? What are people expecting? How do you not already have a lot of toilet paper? I don’t get it
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I agree the toilet paper buying panic is dumb, but a lot of people might not have a lot of extra space most of the time for mass amounts of household goods like that. I live in a fairly small apartment where square footage is at a premium.

But mostly I think all of this is because people (rightly) have no idea how long this will last or what supply lines might be impacted.
 
BjorgenFjorgen said:
I agree the toilet paper buying panic is dumb, but a lot of people might not have a lot of extra space most of the time for mass amounts of household goods like that. I live in a fairly small apartment where square footage is at a premium.

But mostly I think all of this is because people (rightly) have no idea how long this will last or what supply lines might be impacted.
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I live in a small apartment too, I’m not looking down on anyone for their lack of space, I don’t have much space at all. It’s just kind of an odd item to panic about. How much are people expecting their bathroom routine to change over the next few weeks? It’s strange. Being relatively safe in terms of what you have during this is a good move. But going to this length is excessive. And it further creates panic for others. If you approach things with rationality but caution, it would I think make people calm a bit. Not that you shouldn’t be concerned, obviously I think you should. Ah does it make sense what I’m trying to say? I don’t know
 
Bennnnn said:
I live in a small apartment too, I’m not looking down on anyone for their lack of space, I don’t have much space at all. It’s just kind of an odd item to panic about. How much are people expecting their bathroom routine to change over the next few weeks? It’s strange. Being relatively safe in terms of what you have during this is a good move. But going to this length is excessive. And it further creates panic for others. If you approach things with rationality but caution, it would I think make people calm a bit. Not that you shouldn’t be concerned, obviously I think you should. Ah does it make sense what I’m trying to say? I don’t know
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Yes, I agree. I think a lot of the panic buying is driven by photos of empty shelves circulating social media. People see them and think nothing is getting restocked. Meanwhile fresh produce is still getting delivered. I'm assuming non-perishables like canned soup and toilet paper aren't delivered to stores as often anyway.
 
Governor Charlie Baker Had a press conference about a half hour ago.

One of the things he made a clear point on is panic shopping and stocking up. He said we have no supply chain issues. There is no need to stock up with years worth of supplies like toilet paper and hand sanitizer as well as non perusable foods.

He kept reiterating there is no need to stock up. Please leave stock for those who need it.
 
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