Vinyl Me Please (store, exclusives, swaps, etc)

bdrummond said:
Would that plant even have the capacity to press all tracks you think? That seems like a massive undertaking to yank all production away from GZ.
Click to expand...

Not sure. Idk how much space is needed for stuff like that. But even if it's just 2/4 tracks that has to be a nice saving. Especially if replacement rate drops something like 8% to 4% as a random number.
 
bdrummond said:
Would that plant even have the capacity to press all tracks you think? That seems like a massive undertaking to yank all production away from GZ.
Click to expand...
Sure it will. Nobody is opening a plant with a single press. Besides, a single press would easily handle all 4 tracks monthly. Not only will they have capacity to press all 4 tracks, they will almost certainly expand. Another track, and bring some exclusives that are not just colored variants in house.

Let's not jump all over this negatively. This is a good thing. Nobody will be responsible for QC except VMP. No more GZ complaints. Represses of previous GZ titles that have the potential for better quality. Costs go down, as capital costs are amortized while production costs slice out the middle man.

Great news.
 
RHANDMJ said:
Sure it will. Nobody is opening a plant with a single press. Besides, a single press would easily handle all 4 tracks monthly. Not only will they have capacity to press all 4 tracks, they will almost certainly expand. Another track, and bring some exclusives that are not just colored variants in house.

Let's not jump all over this negatively. This is a good thing. Nobody will be responsible for QC except VMP. No more GZ complaints. Represses of previous GZ titles that have the potential for better quality. Costs go down, as capital costs are amortized while production costs slice out the middle man.

Great news.
Click to expand...
There's a rather large difference between "jumping all over this negatively" and "simply having questions".
 
Well hopefully it all works out fine. Don’t blame them for ditching GZ. Seems like their heart is in the right place. Cool that they poached from QRP, hopefully all the headaches they went through in the early days will be avoided by the lessons learned. Rest is conjecture at this point, will def be looking to sub when their own pressings come out though.
 
bdrummond said:
My bad, you quoted me, hence I thought you were referring to me.

That said, I'm not going to declare this a bad thing (I do have questions), but I am not ready to declare this a great thing until the first set of presses are in people's hands. I only hope for the best, but I'll judge by the final product.
Click to expand...
Expect similar to QRP. The first few months were rocky and quality was hit and miss. Then, they learned, they fixed, they got it together.

When you own the plant, you own the product, and there's nowhere to hide.
 
AndySlash said:
there's no way they don't press outside material, the demand for plant space will still be incredibly high and they'd be fools not to if they have the capacity.

definitely an interesting and intriguing development. still, it's vmp, so the trust level that this endeavor bears ripe fruit is pretty low going in.
Click to expand...

The only thing is that if they take their own entire operation in house 30,000+ essentials a month is a capacity beyond most plants that aren’t GZ. Given the huge cost of starting up a plant and for all the initial hype I’ll be flabbergasted if initially they are pressing anything other than classics and select “audiophile” essentials and scaling up gradually.

Edit: Seeing they’ll also be pressing for select founding partners makes this seem even more likely tbh.
 
RHANDMJ said:
Sure it will. Nobody is opening a plant with a single press. Besides, a single press would easily handle all 4 tracks monthly. Not only will they have capacity to press all 4 tracks, they will almost certainly expand. Another track, and bring some exclusives that are not just colored variants in house.

Let's not jump all over this negatively. This is a good thing. Nobody will be responsible for QC except VMP. No more GZ complaints. Represses of previous GZ titles that have the potential for better quality. Costs go down, as capital costs are amortized while production costs slice out the middle man.

Great news.
Click to expand...

One press putting out 40,000 records a month. Given there are roughly 22 working days in a month and 7 working hours in a day that’s 260 records an hour on this one press. Even on shift with it running 24 hours a day that’s 76 a hour which is assuming more than one a minute and no down time between shifts and for breaks.
 
Joe Mac said:
One press putting out 40,000 records a month. Given there are roughly 22 working days in a month and 7 working hours in a day that’s 260 records an hour on this one press. Even on shift with it running 24 hours a day that’s 76 a hour which is assuming more than one a minute and no down time between shifts and for breaks.
Click to expand...
Why only seven hours a day? A lot of factories have different shifts. They could do like 8-3 and 3-10 or something.
 
KenKaniff said:
Why only seven hours a day? A lot of factories have different shifts. They could do like 8-3 and 3-10 or something.
Click to expand...

Yeah I also set out one press running 24 hours on shift rotation and it’s still pretty unreasonable to be consistently way over a record a minute given the physical nature of the process. 40,000ish a month, which wouldn’t include exclusives, off one press is a pretty ludicrous claim!
 
Last edited:
Joe Mac said:
One press putting out 40,000 records a month. Given there are roughly 22 working days in a month and 7 working hours in a day that’s 260 records an hour on this one press. Even on shift with it running 24 hours a day that’s 76 a hour which is assuming more than one a minute and no down time between shifts and for breaks.
Click to expand...
7 working hours a day...shit...I need to get out of this country.
 
Look good on them for trying something new and bringing more pressing capacity to the overall system. I don’t think it’s overly negative, given history, to question QC until it’s proven. Also as a new entity let’s hope they don’t go all in and rather give it opportunity to start at an achievable volume and then sensibly scale up, especially if we actually want that QC to actually exist. Also maths are kinda important before making outlandish claims…
 
Last edited:
Joe Mac said:
Yeah I also set out one press running 24 hours on shift rotation and it’s still pretty unreasonable to be consistently way over a record a minute given the physical nature of the process. 40,000ish a month, which wouldn’t include exclusives, off one press is a pretty ludicrous claim!
Click to expand...
Rubbish. A single press should be able to put out about 800 - 1000 records a day. Assume two shifts. Maybe weekend shifts when necessary.

Current pressing machinery presses a record in 28-30 seconds.

The main factor is the size of a pressing run. Downtime to change plates, clean, etc. - but a large volume run can be done non-stop pretty much.

And besides, nobody does a single press plant. NO ONE. Economically not feasable, just as running a plant to put out 260 records a day makes no sense.

Math is tough, I get that.
 
RHANDMJ said:
Rubbish. A single press should be able to put out about 800 - 1000 records a day. Assume two shifts. Maybe weekend shifts when necessary.

Current pressing machinery presses a record in 28-30 seconds.

The main factor is the size of a pressing run. Downtime to change plates, clean, etc. - but a large volume run can be done non-stop pretty much.

And besides, nobody does a single press plant. NO ONE. Economically not feasable, just as running a plant to put out 260 records a day makes no sense.

Math is tough, I get that.
Click to expand...

Even if we’re to believe your 1000 a day is about half their roughly 40,000 a month, 3/4 if you’re working it 24/7 so doesn’t cover their monthly subs even remotely as you previously claimed. Are we accounting for wastage, machine downtime (running a hot physical piece of heavy industrial machinery constantly is going to have that) etc etc into the equation. Maths really is hard. 🙄
 
Joe Mac said:
Even if we’re to believe your 1000 a day is about half their roughly 40,000 a month, 3/4 if you’re working it 24/7 so doesn’t cover their monthly subs even remotely as you previously claimed. Are we accounting for wastage, machine downtime (running a hot physical piece of heavy industrial machinery is going to have that) etc etc into the equation. Maths really is hard. 🙄
Click to expand...
giphy.gif
 
Joe Mac said:
Even if we’re to believe your 1000 a day is about half their roughly 40,000 a month, 3/4 if you’re working it 24/7 so doesn’t cover their monthly subs even remotely as you previously claimed. Are we accounting for wastage, machine downtime (running a hot physical piece of heavy industrial machinery constantly is going to have that) etc etc into the equation. Maths really is hard. 🙄
Click to expand...
Cut the sarcasm. Save it for the Hoffman forum. I don't care what you believe, and I don't care to join you going low.

Math. 2 record per minute average x 60 minutes in an hour. 120 records an hour.

7 hours in a shift. Downtime is typically between shifts. 7 x 120 = 840 records a shift.

Assume 2 shifts. 1,680 records a day.

I don't know the entirety of their press runs for all 4 tracks, and I also have said there is no way they would only have one press. I would assume between 4 and 6 to be viable, and as they have said they will at times take on other work, that is a reasonable, even conservative assumption.

So, the announcement clearly tells me that they will have all the in-house capacity they need, plus some to spare.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top