Vinyl Me Please (store, exclusives, swaps, etc)

Look good on them for trying something new and bringing more pressing capacity to the overall system. I donā€™t think itā€™s overly negative, given history, to question QC until itā€™s proven. Also as a new entity letā€™s hope they donā€™t go all in and rather give it opportunity to start at an achievable volume and then sensibly scale up, especially if we actually want that QC to actually exist. Also maths are kinda important before making outlandish claimsā€¦
 
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Joe Mac said:
Yeah I also set out one press running 24 hours on shift rotation and itā€™s still pretty unreasonable to be consistently way over a record a minute given the physical nature of the process. 40,000ish a month, which wouldnā€™t include exclusives, off one press is a pretty ludicrous claim!
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Rubbish. A single press should be able to put out about 800 - 1000 records a day. Assume two shifts. Maybe weekend shifts when necessary.

Current pressing machinery presses a record in 28-30 seconds.

The main factor is the size of a pressing run. Downtime to change plates, clean, etc. - but a large volume run can be done non-stop pretty much.

And besides, nobody does a single press plant. NO ONE. Economically not feasable, just as running a plant to put out 260 records a day makes no sense.

Math is tough, I get that.
 
RHANDMJ said:
Rubbish. A single press should be able to put out about 800 - 1000 records a day. Assume two shifts. Maybe weekend shifts when necessary.

Current pressing machinery presses a record in 28-30 seconds.

The main factor is the size of a pressing run. Downtime to change plates, clean, etc. - but a large volume run can be done non-stop pretty much.

And besides, nobody does a single press plant. NO ONE. Economically not feasable, just as running a plant to put out 260 records a day makes no sense.

Math is tough, I get that.
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Even if weā€™re to believe your 1000 a day is about half their roughly 40,000 a month, 3/4 if youā€™re working it 24/7 so doesnā€™t cover their monthly subs even remotely as you previously claimed. Are we accounting for wastage, machine downtime (running a hot physical piece of heavy industrial machinery constantly is going to have that) etc etc into the equation. Maths really is hard. šŸ™„
 
Joe Mac said:
Even if weā€™re to believe your 1000 a day is about half their roughly 40,000 a month, 3/4 if youā€™re working it 24/7 so doesnā€™t cover their monthly subs even remotely as you previously claimed. Are we accounting for wastage, machine downtime (running a hot physical piece of heavy industrial machinery is going to have that) etc etc into the equation. Maths really is hard. šŸ™„
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Joe Mac said:
Even if weā€™re to believe your 1000 a day is about half their roughly 40,000 a month, 3/4 if youā€™re working it 24/7 so doesnā€™t cover their monthly subs even remotely as you previously claimed. Are we accounting for wastage, machine downtime (running a hot physical piece of heavy industrial machinery constantly is going to have that) etc etc into the equation. Maths really is hard. šŸ™„
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Cut the sarcasm. Save it for the Hoffman forum. I don't care what you believe, and I don't care to join you going low.

Math. 2 record per minute average x 60 minutes in an hour. 120 records an hour.

7 hours in a shift. Downtime is typically between shifts. 7 x 120 = 840 records a shift.

Assume 2 shifts. 1,680 records a day.

I don't know the entirety of their press runs for all 4 tracks, and I also have said there is no way they would only have one press. I would assume between 4 and 6 to be viable, and as they have said they will at times take on other work, that is a reasonable, even conservative assumption.

So, the announcement clearly tells me that they will have all the in-house capacity they need, plus some to spare.
 
RHANDMJ said:
Cut the sarcasm. Save it for the Hoffman forum. I don't care what you believe, and I don't care to join you going low.

Math. 2 record per minute average x 60 minutes in an hour. 120 records an hour.

7 hours in a shift. Downtime is typically between shifts. 7 x 120 = 840 records a shift.

Assume 2 shifts. 1,680 records a day.

I don't know the entirety of their press runs for all 4 tracks, and I also have said there is no way they would only have one press. I would assume between 4 and 6 to be viable, and as they have said they will at times take on other work, that is a reasonable, even conservative assumption.

So, the announcement clearly tells me that they will have all the in-house capacity they need, plus some to spare.
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So from only a small amount research itā€™s pretty clear that it takes roughly 30 seconds from the puck going into the press to the vinyl being cured. That doesnā€™t include getting the puck putting it in, trimming the wax off and stacking it. More than one a minute seems pretty tight. Assuming that the piece of meat operating the machine will consistently work at that pace and not go for a piss, get a drink etc over a 7 hour shift is also kind of ludicrous. I can now see your numbers dropping pretty steeply.

Essentials were estimated at 30,000 about 3 or 4 years ago with the other two around 5,000. Given the likelihood of growth and the addition of country thatā€™s conservative.

Also leave out the Hoffman shit. If you want to take offence at someone throwing the same comment you made to them right back at you then perhaps you might want to examine the thickness of your skin.
 
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cul8er said:
VMP have worked with Third Man Records before so they may be a partner. I would also think TMR quality would probably what I expect from this venture.

I don't think TMR is known for their audiophile qualities. They're not bad, but not great either.
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TMR can be infuriating. They clearly have nice masters and when it goes right itā€™s very right but theyā€™re really inconsistent. Maybe thatā€™s just start up and growing pains that theyā€™ll grow out of.
 
MikeH said:
they have always had outside investors. and pauly mentioned on reddit that this plant will be used for VMP releases and a small number of projects from founding members/investors.
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Yeah theyā€™ve always messed about with venture capitalists and were pretty openly prospecting for short term finance/investments for individual releases not so long ago.
 
MikeH said:
I am cautiously optimistic about this whole thing. I'm sure it may be rocky to start but really hope they can pull it off. It would be awesome for the entire industry.
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Yeah once they donā€™t try to run before they can walk it does, and given Iā€™m a natural sceptic of theirs, seem that they have looked to the right people and done the right things so far!
 
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