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I understand the manager/tactics vs. the players argument around Spurs. Should Ange change his tactics for the players or is it the players who are poor. With Ange, you can point to games or times when it really, really works well. I think I’m back to being Ange in because I can see the improvement with better players coming back in.

As for United with Amorim, I don’t get it. The halftime discussion on NBC centered around is the manager hurting the club by sticking to his plan too rigidly with poor players? Or should he be more pragmatic and develop a plan that plays to this current squad’s strengths? Compared to Ange, I just don’t see what Amorim is trying to do. Given I haven’t watched too many United matches, but what exactly is he trying to do that can’t wait until next preseason? I think he should be doing all he can to win matches right now and not focus on how he wants to play. Next season half these players will be gone so it doesn’t matter if they fully adapt to his style or not.

Thoughts on Amorim so far @Joe Mac?
 
wokeupnew said:
I understand the manager/tactics vs. the players argument around Spurs. Should Ange change his tactics for the players or is it the players who are poor. With Ange, you can point to games or times when it really, really works well. I think I’m back to being Ange in because I can see the improvement with better players coming back in.

As for United with Amorim, I don’t get it. The halftime discussion on NBC centered around is the manager hurting the club by sticking to his plan too rigidly with poor players? Or should he be more pragmatic and develop a plan that plays to this current squad’s strengths? Compared to Ange, I just don’t see what Amorim is trying to do. Given I haven’t watched too many United matches, but what exactly is he trying to do that can’t wait until next preseason? I think he should be doing all he can to win matches right now and not focus on how he wants to play. Next season half these players will be gone so it doesn’t matter if they fully adapt to his style or not.

Thoughts on Amorim so far @Joe Mac?
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I think it's impossible to say. I like stubbornness in a manager, but is he going to far. At the end of the day there is also a bit of him highlighting just how poor they are ahead of the summer to strengthen his hard in transfers.

I am kind of sick of the endless these players are useless or this manager is useless debates at united when they all then leave and are flying. The honest truth is united is a sick club, a very sick club and a family of blood suckling leaches from Florida are to blame. INEOS just seem utterly clueless and are creating worse PR to fix bad PR but at the end of the day as long as the Glazers are involved united will not thrive unless they stumble across another Fergie level genius and they are not even always one a generation.
 
First win at the Etihad since 2018 in Champions League. First league win in almost a decade. That was huge but didn't feel like the usual City team we've faced. When it falls off, it falls off quick.
 
wokeupnew said:
Rodri can’t have been holding this City team together all by himself. The downfall from everyone else has to be studied. City look so bad.
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I think it’s a mixture of things. Rhodri is exceptional and plays a position that’s key in a way very few players can in the modern game. Also they’ve a lot of key players reaching that tipping point age wise together. Finally I think they’ve just won so much so emphatically over such a period that there is probably a small drop off in motivation and that’s all it takes.

This is when Sir Alex would smell a change was needed and would create a new team. Can Pep do that? He hasn’t stayed anywhere long enough to have had to do it yet in his career. If he can I think that’s almost his last question mark, because he’s never going to manage a provisional club, and we can say he’s the best that’s been.
 
Joe Mac said:
I think it’s a mixture of things. Rhodri is exceptional and plays a position that’s key in a way very few players can in the modern game. Also they’ve a lot of key players reaching that tipping point age wise together. Finally I think they’ve just won so much so emphatically over such a period that there is probably a small drop off in motivation and that’s all it takes.

This is when Sir Alex would smell a change was needed and would create a new team. Can Pep do that? He hasn’t stayed anywhere long enough to have had to do it yet in his career. If he can I think that’s almost his last question mark, because he’s never going to manage a provisional club, and we can say he’s the best that’s been.
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I also think City’s recruitment has been poor of late. Gone are Sane/Sterling/Mahrez, in are Grealish/Doku/Savinho. Talented players but missing something, not the finished product. Dias and Stones have been injured too much. Kyle Walker declined but Rico Lewis is nowhere near the same player. The Uzbekistan kid will probably come good but he’s very raw. I think part of that is 60m can buy you a talented 22 year old, where 6-7 years ago 60m gets you Kyle Walker who’s the ready made player ready to take the next step.
 
wokeupnew said:
I also think City’s recruitment has been poor of late. Gone are Sane/Sterling/Mahrez, in are Grealish/Doku/Savinho. Talented players but missing something, not the finished product. Dias and Stones have been injured too much. Kyle Walker declined but Rico Lewis is nowhere near the same player. The Uzbekistan kid will probably come good but he’s very raw. I think part of that is 60m can buy you a talented 22 year old, where 6-7 years ago 60m gets you Kyle Walker who’s the ready made player ready to take the next step.
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Grealish is the one where I think Pep has ruined him. He’s at his best as a free spirit but Pep has inhibited his natural instincts to the point that he’s tactically sound but doesn’t actually see to play with joy or affect the game off the cuff anymore. I’d love to see him appear back at villa or somewhere else where he is given the freedom to just be. I like Lewis a lot, but he isn’t Walker, he’ll play the same position in a totally different way.

The thing I’d say is that with the best rebuilds you find a new team and formation within your style that suits them specifically. Thats going to be his big challenge, to come up with a team that suits the players he has and the ones he will sign. With Ederson Dias Rhodri Foden Haaland as a potential spine next year they absolutely aren’t a million miles away.
 
Started off with the CL draw Friday morning that has us going against PSV R16 and then the winner of Atletico and Real Madrid in the quarters if we can get past PSV...should've taken it as a sign of the weekend to come but I foolishly thought ok that will be the only bit of bad news for the weekend

Then learned Saturday that Merino scoring as a striker was a flash in the pan miracle vs. Leicester. Also that Odegaard without any of his weapons up front is lost and not good. Worst of it all was West Ham casually bringing on new signing Evan Ferguson off the bench to remind us that we have no striker options til the summer. Last bit of hope was that City would show up and beat Liverpool to ease some of the pain inflicted Saturday. That definitely did not happen

Side Note: I hope these red cards Myles Lewis-Skelly is accumulating don't become a pattern of behavior
 
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