Ch Ch Ch Changes! - David Bowie Talk

djdavedk said:
Anyone have this?

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Nope sorry.

I sold off all my Bowie bootleg vinyl several years ago and went digital only for those sorts of things. There are a lot of great sounding recordings from the S+V tour, both Milton Keynes and Toyko sound quite good. Sadly because the latest box set starts at 1992 they missed out this tour.

If you are a torrent kinda person checkout Bowiestation.com for a ton of Bowie boots.
 
jamieanderson1968 said:
Nope sorry.

I sold off all my Bowie bootleg vinyl several years ago and went digital only for those sorts of things. There are a lot of great sounding recordings from the S+V tour, both Milton Keynes and Toyko sound quite good. Sadly because the latest box set starts at 1992 they missed out this tour.

If you are a torrent kinda person checkout Bowiestation.com for a ton of Bowie boots.
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I think I was on a previous version of that site. (Mind Warp Pavilion) Thanks!
 
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nolalady said:
The idea that the piece of work is not finished until the audience come to it and add their own interpretation, and what that piece of art is about is the grey space in the middle. That grey space in the middle is what the 21st century is going to be about.

^^^Boy did Bowie nail it here, huh?

Bowie would have been a TicToker and everything else. I agree. I really like the LPotL's Bowie episode...that they now seem to not have an archive of...


I had understood the idea of creating a personification or manifestation of an idea as a mantle to wear. To create a single artistic expression through one's entire being. He did a lot of crazy stuff to get into a persona and live their for a while. Salvador Dali did similar things to really get into a place where he could become a guided conduit for artistic expression. It's a fun concept that if I had a couple months to not worry about anything and just paint, I probably would jump at doing weird/extreme things to see how they effect artistic expression, though I might not have a husband after it, lolol.

I think what Bowie was great at doing was promoting a persona. He would let people have access to his persona du jour--which is how he would have ultimately used social media--as an extension of him being Ziggy or Aladdin or the Thin White Duke. I also think he would jump at interactive things like if there were a TicTok dance to one of his songs, he would embrace it and put out more dance videos. I could see him reaching out to fans who's videos he liked. Yes, yes, yes to it all.

I think what Bowie was great at was hiding the real Bowie to allow the persona to come through. I don't think we saw the real Bowie much. I think that had we seen more of the real Bowie--like we do with some stars who love to give their fans access to them 24/7--it would break some of the magic. I think Bowie understood that very well. I'm not sure how well he understood it at the beginning of his career, and I could see him making social media missteps because of that. I'm not sure we would have had the same type of Bowie because by the time these social media things popped up, Bowie was much older and had cultivated a lot of who he was and what he was going to show people and what he was not. I think that's part of his mystique/success, that he understood what to show the audience and what to keep in the wings. I think that a lot of artists in the early aughts made a lot of mistakes by showing their audience a little too much of themselves. I think that newer artists that are emerging now, have seen these mistakes and are getting better at showing a cultivated look for their fans.

I just watched the Last Five Years documentary on Bowie's last few years on this earth. When I saw the videos of him interacting with technology, you could see that he was very excited about the idea of collaboration with talented people and was ecstatic regarding what computers could do to a recording and how easy it was to reach out to people that could help create music. And that's what every artist gets excited about--being able to share a vision and having others interact with your vision.

I do really wish you would have told me that the quotes were from a Bowie interview at the beginning, which is my only real note. Otherwise, really great article. There's a lot here.
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Wow, an amazing take on the concept of the conclusion.
I must admit I started writing my piece without the focus on Bowie, which really shows after someone who is clearly much more than a casual fan has had their say. This is exactly the response I could have hoped for, thank you.
This is also why I kept the source of the quotes a secret, so the reader discovered the relevance of them as they got through the material, which is how I developed the whole thing.
Not to bring up any controversy at all, but one thing I've noticed with Bowie being so viral recently is the cancel culture crowd keeping the groupie stories known, which I think serves your point about early aughts artists showing too much of themselves, in a cross-generational way. Given the groupie thing is a little loaded you could probably make the same point could be made for his public attachment to the occult/Aleister Crowley too.
I'm very pleased that the theory holds up, and I will definitely be checking out that documentary!
 
BoilerRhapsody said:
Wow, an amazing take on the concept of the conclusion.
I must admit I started writing my piece without the focus on Bowie, which really shows after someone who is clearly much more than a casual fan has had their say. This is exactly the response I could have hoped for, thank you.
This is also why I kept the source of the quotes a secret, so the reader discovered the relevance of them as they got through the material, which is how I developed the whole thing.
Not to bring up any controversy at all, but one thing I've noticed with Bowie being so viral recently is the cancel culture crowd keeping the groupie stories known, which I think serves your point about early aughts artists showing too much of themselves, in a cross-generational way. Given the groupie thing is a little loaded you could probably make the same point could be made for his public attachment to the occult/Aleister Crowley too.
I'm very pleased that the theory holds up, and I will definitely be checking out that documentary!
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The documentary excellent--the end will make you cry though.

I know there was some problematic things with Bowie and very young groupies. I think the carefully cultivated older Bowie had the same sort of missteps that young people have and I'm not sure he wouldn't have been canceled. I do think he would have redeemed himself, but it would have had to been through pure artistic expression.

The other thing that would be interesting to consider is how artists like Bowie are going to use this technology going forward given that it's always just been there for them. For instance, my grandfather's very first job was delivering blocks of ice to people so they could keep their ice boxes cold. Refrigeration was an emerging technology that was this really novel thing when he finally got a refrigerator. To me, refrigeration is the norm because it's always been there. The same thing could be said for us, in that, I remember when there was no internet. The internet, though it's a daily part of my life now, is still somewhat of a neat thing. It's still somewhat novel in a way, because I remember a world without it. My kids will never have that. They will always be digital natives. I can't wait to see what the supremely creative digital natives do with technology that has always been there. It will be really interesting to see what they decide to show online given that most people now understand that a stream directly into their lives gets really messy for celebrities. Will they approach it more as a tool for expression rather than just a means of communication. Will they have carefully cultivated feeds where they post minimal content to create an air of mystery? It will be interesting to watch which parts digital natives will accept and which online behaviors they will reject. We are still writing etiquette and rules for the internet and I wonder what all that will look like in the years to come.
 
Max Sterling said:
I wonder what true Bowie fans think of this. I'm not really all that familiar with his music honestly, but I found this to be rad nonetheless.

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Thanks for this.

This led me down a bit of a rabbit hole. Dennis Davis was Bowie's drummer from Station To Station to Scary Monsters, and was arguably the best percussionist Bowie would ever work with. Dennis died in 2016, and a few years ago his young son started a YouTube channel where he interviews people who knew and worked with his father. There are several episodes on his years with Bowie, with one video specifically on Look Back In Anger where Tony Visconti isolates the drum tracks from the song (starting at about 1:30)
 
gafacaode said:
I don't know how I feel about this.
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Same. Pissed that they just recycled the covers from Toy and BA box.

An early version of "I'm Afraid of Americans" was originally called Dummy and was supposed to be on the Johnny Mnemonic soundtrack but ended up on the Showgirls soundtrack instead. Different lyrics than the Earthling version. This early version is in the BA box set. Never heard Johnny Downloader on a bootleg before but have a feeling it will be close to this
 
jamieanderson1968 said:
Just noticed on Amazon.ca there is a pre-order for a reissue of Tin Machine II. Not sure if it is another MOV reissue but it is strange since that 2020 pressing is still readily available
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yea it was in Elusive Disc's email blast a little while ago:
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