Definitive Audiophile pressings

It’s hard to talk in generalisations because like here or there it can vary across an albums pressings. Research still pays off. The better ones do tend to be rated higher and the real thing I’ve found so far is that the condition that these things have been kept in for over half a century is wonderful and tends to beat anything I can find here.
Yeah, that's what's so surprising to me is that they seem to have so many original/early pressings that are in great condition. Those tend to be very hard to find here in the US, at least the places I've had the opportunity to look. And if you do find them, you pay a premium, because in that condition they're rare.
 
Are classic rock Japanese pressings typically well lauded? Looking to stock up on Beatles/Stones but all older pressings I’ve picked up here in the states have been pricey and horrible sounding
You gotta research the specific titles you want. Just because it has an OBI doesn’t mean it’s better. OG Japanese pressings are often thought to sound better because they used better vinyl formula that had a quieter sound floor. I’d try to research how you would any other pressing. There are so many that some are more well-regarded than others. I believe the Odeons for Beatles are the ones to get. My brief look at Stones Japanese pressings seemed to indicate that you want the original Japanese pressings I think, but you may wanna research that a bit more. I got a Japanese pressing of The Wall that I think sounds fantastic.
 
You gotta research the specific titles you want. Just because it has an OBI doesn’t mean it’s better. OG Japanese pressings are often thought to sound better because they used better vinyl formula that had a quieter sound floor. I’d try to research how you would any other pressing. There are so many that some are more well-regarded than others. I believe the Odeons for Beatles are the ones to get. My brief look at Stones Japanese pressings seemed to indicate that you want the original Japanese pressings I think, but you may wanna research that a bit more. I got a Japanese pressing of The Wall that I think sounds fantastic.
Yes, but don't go by what the Hoffman followers or that guy in Arizona says. Way over-generalizing.

First - in general, Japan used second generation tapes taken 1 to 1 from the unequalized master. While some may scream about that, the fact is those tapes are often much better than the 3rd, 4th or 4th gen dupes that later domestic represses were made from.

Second - it is a myth, and misconception that Japanese rock pressings are 'bright'. The truth is - and that YouTube record store guy in Arizona doesn't have a clue - is that Japanese mastering engineers mastered for Japanese rooms and stereo systems. Construction and living spaces are so different in Japan that too much bass energy can be a problem. Also, Japanese electronics were often a bit dark, SET's were still widely used, and audiophiles tended towards horns or single driver systems - or regardless, did not have (again due to living spaces and construction types) big speakers with metal done tweeters. They were never mastered for Americans.

Japanese pressings were for Japanese consumers, in Japanese homes, on Japanese audio systems.

Third - most jazz pressings from Japan are very high quality, and there was much less tendency to soften the bass.

Fourth - the quality of Japanese vinyl was never equaled by the penny conscious domestic labels. Not even close. That alone accounts for much of the sonic superiority of Japanese vinyl.

Fifth - the Japanese have always been fastidious in caring for their vinyl, and Japanese manufacturers never used paper inner sleeves. Always a Nagaoka type rice paper round bottom inner. So, unlike American pressings, the sleeves have preserved Japanese pressed vinyl perfectly for half a century. Even today, too many domestic labels don't care about the longevity of the product - it's just another CPG to them, disposable, not built to last. To the Japanese, every pressing is archival quality.

Sixth - The Toshiba Pro-Use DSOTN and Abbey Road are awesome. There is no KPG in the runouts (there was never a cult of celebrity about the staff mastering engineers in Japan) but I doubt they could be equaled.

Seventh - there is much ado among internet so-called experts claiming that King BN's are better than Toshibas, Beatles Odeons are better than later Toshibas, and so on. Utter rubbish. The differences, if any, are really quite minor. Toshiba BN's sound amazing. The red vinyl mono Beatles Toshibas are fantastic. There are some King BN's that sound a bit better than their Toshiba counterpart, and vice versa, but not so wide a difference to matter much.

Eighth - sometimes, particularly getting into the 70's, you might find that the plates used came from a U.S. mastering. It is not at all unusual, for example, to find RVG in the runouts of a King CTI pressing. And it will sound WAY better than any other pressing, because of the quality of the vinyl vs. the paper thin recycled junk they were using in America.

I might be fortunate in that my setup favors Japanese pressings - I certainly don't have a bass deficit, and use open baffle full frequency single drivers with no crossovers.

And last - when a Japanese seller states NM, it is virtually virgin new. When they state EX- it's a pretty much NM record. Even a VG+ is probably excellent - that Japanese vinyl could take a fair bit of punishment. Good luck with that from domestic sellers of domestic pressings.
 
Yes, but don't go by what the Hoffman followers or that guy in Arizona says. Way over-generalizing.

First - in general, Japan used second generation tapes taken 1 to 1 from the unequalized master. While some may scream about that, the fact is those tapes are often much better than the 3rd, 4th or 4th gen dupes that later domestic represses were made from.

Second - it is a myth, and misconception that Japanese rock pressings are 'bright'. The truth is - and that YouTube record store guy in Arizona doesn't have a clue - is that Japanese mastering engineers mastered for Japanese rooms and stereo systems. Construction and living spaces are so different in Japan that too much bass energy can be a problem. Also, Japanese electronics were often a bit dark, SET's were still widely used, and audiophiles tended towards horns or single driver systems - or regardless, did not have (again due to living spaces and construction types) big speakers with metal done tweeters. They were never mastered for Americans.

Japanese pressings were for Japanese consumers, in Japanese homes, on Japanese audio systems.

Third - most jazz pressings from Japan are very high quality, and there was much less tendency to soften the bass.

Fourth - the quality of Japanese vinyl was never equaled by the penny conscious domestic labels. Not even close. That alone accounts for much of the sonic superiority of Japanese vinyl.

Fifth - the Japanese have always been fastidious in caring for their vinyl, and Japanese manufacturers never used paper inner sleeves. Always a Nagaoka type rice paper round bottom inner. So, unlike American pressings, the sleeves have preserved Japanese pressed vinyl perfectly for half a century. Even today, too many domestic labels don't care about the longevity of the product - it's just another CPG to them, disposable, not built to last. To the Japanese, every pressing is archival quality.

Sixth - The Toshiba Pro-Use DSOTN and Abbey Road are awesome. There is no KPG in the runouts (there was never a cult of celebrity about the staff mastering engineers in Japan) but I doubt they could be equaled.

Seventh - there is much ado among internet so-called experts claiming that King BN's are better than Toshibas, Beatles Odeons are better than later Toshibas, and so on. Utter rubbish. The differences, if any, are really quite minor. Toshiba BN's sound amazing. The red vinyl mono Beatles Toshibas are fantastic. There are some King BN's that sound a bit better than their Toshiba counterpart, and vice versa, but not so wide a difference to matter much.

Eighth - sometimes, particularly getting into the 70's, you might find that the plates used came from a U.S. mastering. It is not at all unusual, for example, to find RVG in the runouts of a King CTI pressing. And it will sound WAY better than any other pressing, because of the quality of the vinyl vs. the paper thin recycled junk they were using in America.

I might be fortunate in that my setup favors Japanese pressings - I certainly don't have a bass deficit, and use open baffle full frequency single drivers with no crossovers.

And last - when a Japanese seller states NM, it is virtually virgin new. When they state EX- it's a pretty much NM record. Even a VG+ is probably excellent - that Japanese vinyl could take a fair bit of punishment. Good luck with that from domestic sellers of domestic pressings.
MASTERCLASS Sir!
 
Yes, but don't go by what the Hoffman followers or that guy in Arizona says. Way over-generalizing.

First - in general, Japan used second generation tapes taken 1 to 1 from the unequalized master. While some may scream about that, the fact is those tapes are often much better than the 3rd, 4th or 4th gen dupes that later domestic represses were made from.

Second - it is a myth, and misconception that Japanese rock pressings are 'bright'. The truth is - and that YouTube record store guy in Arizona doesn't have a clue - is that Japanese mastering engineers mastered for Japanese rooms and stereo systems. Construction and living spaces are so different in Japan that too much bass energy can be a problem. Also, Japanese electronics were often a bit dark, SET's were still widely used, and audiophiles tended towards horns or single driver systems - or regardless, did not have (again due to living spaces and construction types) big speakers with metal done tweeters. They were never mastered for Americans.

Japanese pressings were for Japanese consumers, in Japanese homes, on Japanese audio systems.

Third - most jazz pressings from Japan are very high quality, and there was much less tendency to soften the bass.

Fourth - the quality of Japanese vinyl was never equaled by the penny conscious domestic labels. Not even close. That alone accounts for much of the sonic superiority of Japanese vinyl.

Fifth - the Japanese have always been fastidious in caring for their vinyl, and Japanese manufacturers never used paper inner sleeves. Always a Nagaoka type rice paper round bottom inner. So, unlike American pressings, the sleeves have preserved Japanese pressed vinyl perfectly for half a century. Even today, too many domestic labels don't care about the longevity of the product - it's just another CPG to them, disposable, not built to last. To the Japanese, every pressing is archival quality.

Sixth - The Toshiba Pro-Use DSOTN and Abbey Road are awesome. There is no KPG in the runouts (there was never a cult of celebrity about the staff mastering engineers in Japan) but I doubt they could be equaled.

Seventh - there is much ado among internet so-called experts claiming that King BN's are better than Toshibas, Beatles Odeons are better than later Toshibas, and so on. Utter rubbish. The differences, if any, are really quite minor. Toshiba BN's sound amazing. The red vinyl mono Beatles Toshibas are fantastic. There are some King BN's that sound a bit better than their Toshiba counterpart, and vice versa, but not so wide a difference to matter much.

Eighth - sometimes, particularly getting into the 70's, you might find that the plates used came from a U.S. mastering. It is not at all unusual, for example, to find RVG in the runouts of a King CTI pressing. And it will sound WAY better than any other pressing, because of the quality of the vinyl vs. the paper thin recycled junk they were using in America.

I might be fortunate in that my setup favors Japanese pressings - I certainly don't have a bass deficit, and use open baffle full frequency single drivers with no crossovers.

And last - when a Japanese seller states NM, it is virtually virgin new. When they state EX- it's a pretty much NM record. Even a VG+ is probably excellent - that Japanese vinyl could take a fair bit of punishment. Good luck with that from domestic sellers of domestic pressings.
All solid points, especially the last one. The record grading is very very on point. None of this “NM” showing up with scuffs and scratches like you get on a lot of discogs accounts.

and I have read that, like you say, there were a good amount of Japanese pressings that used US or UK plates and sound better because of the vinyl formula. I need to dig deeper into it. The myths on Hoffman about Japanese records sounding thin/bright and early MoFis being smiley EQed really bother me. I had thought it was true for a long time because of how many people parroted it. Missed out on tons of good deals awhile back because I just skipped those titles any time I saw them in shops or online
 
These 2 are well worth picking up

Both Sterling masterings so cut from tape in US and then sent to Japan to get manufactured on Vinyl .I believe the ESS pressings of older albums are well reguarded, But I don't have any others besides these two, Tattoo You US RL cut should be easy for you to get and it's fantastic.
Are classic rock Japanese pressings typically well lauded? Looking to stock up on Beatles/Stones but all older pressings I’ve picked up here in the states have been pricey and horrible sounding
 
Are classic rock Japanese pressings typically well lauded? Looking to stock up on Beatles/Stones but all older pressings I’ve picked up here in the states have been pricey and horrible sounding
T Rex’s The Slider sounds damn good to me. Better than my US pressing.

 
Here's a surprising one--been going through my records to store some in the basement and pulled out Black Up by Shabazz Palaces. It's a KG cut pressed at RTI. Really nice sounding pressing.

I think I mentioned that one a long while back in this thread. Came across it when I was going through my collection for KPG's on discogs. It does sound great.
 
Yes, but don't go by what the Hoffman followers or that guy in Arizona says. Way over-generalizing.

First - in general, Japan used second generation tapes taken 1 to 1 from the unequalized master. While some may scream about that, the fact is those tapes are often much better than the 3rd, 4th or 4th gen dupes that later domestic represses were made from.

Second - it is a myth, and misconception that Japanese rock pressings are 'bright'. The truth is - and that YouTube record store guy in Arizona doesn't have a clue - is that Japanese mastering engineers mastered for Japanese rooms and stereo systems. Construction and living spaces are so different in Japan that too much bass energy can be a problem. Also, Japanese electronics were often a bit dark, SET's were still widely used, and audiophiles tended towards horns or single driver systems - or regardless, did not have (again due to living spaces and construction types) big speakers with metal done tweeters. They were never mastered for Americans.

Japanese pressings were for Japanese consumers, in Japanese homes, on Japanese audio systems.

Third - most jazz pressings from Japan are very high quality, and there was much less tendency to soften the bass.

Fourth - the quality of Japanese vinyl was never equaled by the penny conscious domestic labels. Not even close. That alone accounts for much of the sonic superiority of Japanese vinyl.

Fifth - the Japanese have always been fastidious in caring for their vinyl, and Japanese manufacturers never used paper inner sleeves. Always a Nagaoka type rice paper round bottom inner. So, unlike American pressings, the sleeves have preserved Japanese pressed vinyl perfectly for half a century. Even today, too many domestic labels don't care about the longevity of the product - it's just another CPG to them, disposable, not built to last. To the Japanese, every pressing is archival quality.

Sixth - The Toshiba Pro-Use DSOTN and Abbey Road are awesome. There is no KPG in the runouts (there was never a cult of celebrity about the staff mastering engineers in Japan) but I doubt they could be equaled.

Seventh - there is much ado among internet so-called experts claiming that King BN's are better than Toshibas, Beatles Odeons are better than later Toshibas, and so on. Utter rubbish. The differences, if any, are really quite minor. Toshiba BN's sound amazing. The red vinyl mono Beatles Toshibas are fantastic. There are some King BN's that sound a bit better than their Toshiba counterpart, and vice versa, but not so wide a difference to matter much.

Eighth - sometimes, particularly getting into the 70's, you might find that the plates used came from a U.S. mastering. It is not at all unusual, for example, to find RVG in the runouts of a King CTI pressing. And it will sound WAY better than any other pressing, because of the quality of the vinyl vs. the paper thin recycled junk they were using in America.

I might be fortunate in that my setup favors Japanese pressings - I certainly don't have a bass deficit, and use open baffle full frequency single drivers with no crossovers.

And last - when a Japanese seller states NM, it is virtually virgin new. When they state EX- it's a pretty much NM record. Even a VG+ is probably excellent - that Japanese vinyl could take a fair bit of punishment. Good luck with that from domestic sellers of domestic pressings.
This is great, thanks for the insight!

I have to admit though that I personally think King pressings do have the edge on Toshiba, speaking from a jazz perspective anyway. They are both fantastic and are great substitutes for the OG's (as you said, Japan really takes this stuff seriously) but in my opinion, King has a much rounder sound. I'm certainly not an expert but they tend to sound warmer to me without losing anything as a result. That's not to say that the Toshiba's are anything less than fantastic though. I would much rather a Toshiba to the majority of other reissues.

There was a time when both King and Toshiba's were relatively inexpensive as well. Just looking at my discogs and it looks like I have 12 King's and 7 Toshiba's and I certainly didn't pay the average price which is now showing for most of them. Looks like there has been quite the jump over the years for some of them. The king pressing of Oliver Nelson's The Blues And The Abstract Truth is showing at a £71 average which is less than its OG Impulse average of £65. I actually just looked in my emails to see if this was an online purchase and looks like I bought it on ebay at the beginning of 2019......for £19 all in. This record-buying malarkey is getting out of hand.

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