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I emailed them that I want a full refund as well (I ordered Sly and B52s to get free shipment). I saw that the B52s record is in the warehouse, so hopefully they still can. If not, I’ll make them pay for return shipping. The fact they didn’t notify of cancellation is very unprofessional.
My second record was in the warehouse too, but they canceled right away
 
Sadly, I would rather deal with AS than Paypal.
If I use PP for anything, I write off the money regardless if the product is "as paid".
Therefore, it is only a person to person payment method.
 
Sadly, I would rather deal with AS than Paypal.
If I use PP for anything, I write off the money regardless if the product is "as paid".
Therefore, it is only a person to person payment method.
I use PayPal often. A centralized record of purchases, no need to enter card info, purchase protection that has worked when I've used it, and free return shipping. Plus I use it for person to person too
 
I use PayPal often. A centralized record of purchases, no need to enter card info, purchase protection that has worked when I've used it, and free return shipping. Plus I use it for person to person too
I get it (maybe).
I have my money and you don't.
 
I'm not saying you will not receive a refund.
Eventually it will happen.

I ordered both records and never took a charge on the card. No money was exchanged with AS.

For this purpose, PP is not ideal.

Also, if I get in a pissing contest with AS or any retailer over something, my card provider will go to bat for me much more than PP. This is my experience. YMMV


Totally get the security concerns too.
 
Thought you guys and girls might like to read this article from the London Jazz Collector. It's regarding the "Better Records & Hot Stampers" guy that basically sells what he believes to be the perfect pressings of an album for crazy prices. There was an article or 2 (I seem to remember seeing a video interview as well) a few years back about the company.

 
Went the Paypal route with Acoustic Sounds. What a hassle, but they refunded me through Paypal.

Count yourself lucky. I just got this back about my refund…..

From AS cust service:

“Thank you for contacting us. Unfortunately, our accounting department is backed up at this time. This refund will be processed within 1-2 days business days.

Thanks,

Matt, Customer Service”

Edit: Refunded. Waiting for it to post. And still need Terrapin Station. :-(
 
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So to me, it’s less about snake oil than it is about catering to a narrow and extremely wealthy demographic.
I agree with all of what you said but this is the stand-out comment for me.

I have been pretty active within the jazz vinyl world of Instagram for a while now, posting once a day for the past 3 years. Typically my posts jump from cheapo finds to more rare bits. Now, I'm fortunate enough to have some pretty pricey records and in almost all cases I have bought them for well under their average going rate (with the other times seeing me trade or sell records as part of the deal) but there's no doubt that they are rare. What has shocked me the most during this time is the few occasions where I will post a big rarity only for someone to message me saying it is the first they have heard of it but then buying their own copy at the 'going rate' a day or 2 later. We're talking upwards of £750 after only learning of it the day prior.

Now I don't begrudge these people for having the money to do that and I personally much prefer the thrill of digging, making connections, and trading my way up, but it does really put things into perspective. I can certainly see a lot of people using Better Records/Hot Stampers as a way of getting the big hitters without having to do all the 'work' (not really work when you enjoy it) and ensuring a quality record.

In terms of reissues, I also agree with you. I have a ton of jazz reissues and originals and I always prefer the sound of the originals. It's a romantic way of looking at it but when I hold an original record I'm always staggered by the history, thinking of it being pressed 50-60 years ago (20-30 years before I was even born!!) being bought, listened to and cared for, perhaps even making its way overseas and finally into my hands. Im therefore more forgiving when it comes to cosmetic 'issues' (more history!) in a different way to what I am with reissues. Thats before we even get into sound quality comparisons....
 
Thanks for posting this.

I read LJC fairly regularly, so not much in this article surprises me. Many (if not most) serious jazz collectors are only interested in originals, and while LJC does celebrate some recent reissues, there’s a clear preference for earlier pressings. Generally speaking, my own experience makes it hard to disagree: I can’t think of many instances in which I’ve preferred a newly mastered Blue Note album to an original. I was excited to get a clean copy of Art Blakey’s The Freedom Rider when VMP did it a few years back, but my battered mono original plays much better than it looks and totally smoked it.

The thing LJC doesn’t really dig into, though, is the absurdity of the pricing, and the reality of the situation for most people is they can’t afford to spend $500 for a copy of Kind of Blue, let alone multiple albums at that price. Also, nice copies of many albums on that list of well-recorded jazz can be found for far less than Better Records is charging. So to me, it’s less about snake oil than it is about catering to a narrow and extremely wealthy demographic. Modern reissues may not match original pressings in sound quality, but at least they make the music available at an affordable price. I consider myself lucky in that I started buying vinyl before used prices really exploded, but even so, there are any number of albums I wouldn’t have if not for recent reissues.
Well, it also doesn’t appear that he actually has listened to any of the hot stampers, so I don’t know how/why he can offer any opinions about anything they are selling, beyond their (and his) opinions. It’s an interesting read, but I can’t say it shed any light (for me) on the legitimacy of Better Records/Hot Stamper’s practices.
 
Count yourself lucky. I just got this back about my refund…..

From AS cust service:

“Thank you for contacting us. Unfortunately, our accounting department is backed up at this time. This refund will be processed within 1-2 days business days.

Thanks,

Matt, Customer Service”
Wonder why their accounting department is backed up! Maybe because they sell shit they don't actually have and then have to issue refunds?
 
Their systems are so outdated. If you look around their website, they still have an option to pay by check! I haven't bought a product with a check since the early 00s.
I wouldn't be shocked if some of their customers still pay by check to be honest...AS has been around for forever. I bought my first new record from them 15+ years ago from a catalogue they sent me in the mail.

they do desperately need a website/inventory management update. if I worked in their accounting department or CS, I'd be begging them every day to update it.
 
It's kind of silly how bad e-commerce for vinyl is in general. Even the bigger online retailers (I'm talking like Target and Amazon and Deepdiscount) are really bad in terms of artist/genre filters, browsing capabilities, etc. Nevermind some of the interfaces some small record stores are compelled to use to have an online presence. We rightfully complain about Discogs but it's still more convenient as a marketplace than like 90% of dedicated storefronts are.
 
Thanks for posting this.

I read LJC fairly regularly, so not much in this article surprises me. Many (if not most) serious jazz collectors are only interested in originals, and while LJC does celebrate some recent reissues, there’s a clear preference for earlier pressings. Generally speaking, my own experience makes it hard to disagree: I can’t think of many instances in which I’ve preferred a newly mastered Blue Note album to an original. I was excited to get a clean copy of Art Blakey’s The Freedom Rider when VMP did it a few years back, but my battered mono original plays much better than it looks and totally smoked it.

The thing LJC doesn’t really dig into, though, is the absurdity of the pricing, and the reality of the situation for most people is they can’t afford to spend $500 for a copy of Kind of Blue, let alone multiple albums at that price. Also, nice copies of many albums on that list oyf well-recorded jazz can be found for far less than Better Records is charging. So to me, it’s less about snake oil than it is about catering to a narrow and extremely wealthy demographic. Modern reissues may not match original pressings in sound quality, but at least they make the music available at an affordable price. I consider myself lucky in that I started buying vinyl before used prices really exploded, but even so, there are any number of albums I wouldn’t have if not for recent reissues.
Man I love the thrill of still getting an original pressing on the cheap find and hearing how good it sounds.
The recent jazz issues from BN, Impulse, Atlantic, etc are just super cool and I don’t have much interest in paying a premium for the originals.
Cutting from the original tape likely makes all the difference.

I think @JohnnyCashFan been recently dumping some jazz originals for the reissues.
Curious for his take.
 
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