It Could Get A Bit Messi In Here - The Football Thread.

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wokeupnew said:
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Reports in the German press are he’d lost all the experienced players in the dressing room. Felt that he was very immature and that it showed in his tactics which they saw as self indulgences designed to make him look clever rather than necessarily to give the team the best chance against the specific opponents. Diet Pep strikes again.
 
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Joe Mac said:
Reports in the German press are he’d lost all the experienced players in the dressing room. Felt that he was very immature and that it showed in his tactics which they saw as self indulgences designed to make him look clever rather than necessarily to give the team the best chance against the specific opponents. Diet Pep strikes again.
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Dunno. He was 8/8 in the CL, still in the DFB Cup, 40% of Bayern’s losses have been under Tuchel. Criticize his tactics all you want but he was doing fine and getting results. Bayern have high standards and expect to win everything every season. Disrupting Nagelsmann even though he’s “””Diet Pep””” seems to have derailed their season worse than if he was still there.
 
wokeupnew said:
Dunno. He was 8/8 in the CL, still in the DFB Cup, 40% of Bayern’s losses have been under Tuchel. Criticize his tactics all you want but he was doing fine and getting results. Bayern have high standards and expect to win everything every season. Disrupting Nagelsmann even though he’s “””Diet Pep””” seems to have derailed their season worse than if he was still there.
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Yeah CL group stages are notoriously weak and he played against a circus rather than a football team in the last 16. This is the first time they’ve played a team in Europe that’s on, or above, their level. The game on Wednesday showed up yet another fault with modern tacticians. The false 9 only works if you’re Pep, who really is a genius, or you have Messi. Centre forwards are really bloody important not just for goals but for the whole attacking structure and the ability to go over, or around the sides of, a super high intensity press.
 
Joe Mac said:
Yeah CL group stages are notoriously weak and he played against a circus rather than a football team in the last 16. This is the first time they’ve played a team in Europe that’s on, or above, their level. The game on Wednesday showed up yet another fault with modern tacticians. The false 9 only works if you’re Pep, who really is a genius, or you have Messi. Centre forwards are really bloody important not just for goals but for the whole attacking structure and the ability to go over, or around the sides of, a super high intensity press.
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Bayern probably lose to City if they had Nagelsmann, but I think blaming all of Bayern's issues on Nagelsmann is silly. He was doing fine, good even. Could he have been doing better? yes. But Tuchel seems to not have started strongly and it makes the decision to bin off Nagelsmann look shortsighted in hindsight. If they end up not winning the league then Bayern will implode.
 
wokeupnew said:
Bayern probably lose to City if they had Nagelsmann, but I think blaming all of Bayern's issues on Nagelsmann is silly. He was doing fine, good even. Could he have been doing better? yes. But Tuchel seems to not have started strongly and it makes the decision to bin off Nagelsmann look shortsighted in hindsight. If they end up not winning the league then Bayern will implode.
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Equally they hammered their nearest rivals and will still probably walk the league. Even when they were at their poorest under Kovac they won the league. Germany has become Bayern and a bunch of finishing schools for the other leagues.

They probably should have given Nagglesmann more chance for no other reason than the money they had invested in him, the cost of the pay off and the fact that, unless it’s a train wreck, if you give a manager less than 3 years how can actually judge the job they’ve done?

I still have way more questions that answers in respect of what he’s actually done to get this sort of mad stellar reputation that he has. From a distance it looks like he’s made Flick’s very good Bayern side, with a lot of good players at the right age, considerably worse.

Maybe he’ll go on to prove me wrong but I’m getting more Villas Boas vibes than anything else and he actually won some things.
 
When your lucks out your lucks out.

cruismg and playing great. Both centee halves off injured, one after all subs made, and two own goals against. Also Fernandes booked for a handball that wasn’t a handball and out of the second leg.
 
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