Woob_woob
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It's the last Sons of Kemet album for me, but this Ancestors album is really nice
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agutierrezb
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I mean, pretty much everything he has done is great, and it may be the bias of recency, but I was blown away by this new record.
QuickDrawDave
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For anyone in the UK who's interested, Miles Davis: Birth Of The Cool is on BBC2 tonight at 9pm 
Edit: it's now on BBC iplayer for the next few months
Edit: it's now on BBC iplayer for the next few months
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Agaetisbyrjun22
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For anyone in the UK who's interested, Miles Davis: Birth Of The Cool is on BBC2 tonight at 9pm
For those in the US it's on Netflix now!
MikeH
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Came across this just now. A huge jazz collector made over 10,000 hours of mix tapes of jazz albums to hand down to his kids to hopefully get them into jazz one day.
The David W. Niven Collection of Early Jazz Legends, 1921-1991
650 tapes · 1,000 hours · 1,378 WAV files · 637 GB · 691 JPEG scans of cassette liner cards & literature. Meticulously Collected, Compiled, and Narrated by David W. Niven, 1930-1993. Generously Donated by David W. Niven to the Foxborough High School Jazz Program, Stephen C. Massey, Director, 2010. Archived to CD-Quality Digital Audio by Kevin J. Powers, 2010-2011.
An Early Jazz Recording Collection by David W. Niven
My 20-year-old cousin introduced me to jazz when I was 10. It was a 10” 78 RPM OK recording of “My Heart” made in Chicago on November 12, 1925, by Louis Armstrong's Hot Five with Kid Ory, trombone; Johnny Dodds, clarinet; Lil Armstrong, piano; and Johnny St. Cyr, banjo. On the reverse was “Cornet Chop Suey.”
My hip cousin then advised me to get some recordings by another cornetist, Bix Beiderbecke, who started recording for OK the same year (1925). I dug, again, into my newspaper route money (35 cents) and bought the October 5, 1927, recording of “At the Jazz Band Ball,” backed by “Jazz Me Blues” by “Bix and his Gang”: Bix on cornet; Bill Rank, trombone; Don Murray, clarinet; Adrian Rollini, bass sax; Frank Signorelli, piano; and Chauncey Morehouse, drums. Over the next few years, I acquired every record Bix made prior to his early death in 1931.
Encouraged by my interest in jazz recordings, my cousin came up with a third suggestion for my collection: Duke Ellington. One year prior to Louis' and Bix's first recording, Duke and his six piece band “The Washingtonians” with Bubber Miley, cornet; Charlie Irvis, trombone; Otto Hardwicke, sax; Fred Guy, banjo; Sonny Greer, drums; and Duke, piano, had their initial commercial recording date in November 1924. I became the proud owner of every recording up to the start of WWII and some 75% of his recordings until his death in 1974, some 180 hours of the recorded Duke Ellington.
Throughout the ten years prior to WWII, during my high school and college years, my 78 RPM 10”, followed by 33 1/3 RPM LP, collection grew to the thousands. All the big names of jazz, along with lesser legends, were included, and I found myself with a first class treasure of early jazz music. But I also found that such a collection was a first-class burden when I was moving through the post-war years with family, financial, and other fidelity responsibilities taking priority. I had always hoped that maybe at least one of my kids would show an interest in my collection, so I began making tapes that could include a chronological compilation of my collection, along with commentary: date and place of recording, personnel, soloists, etc.
The main reason for doing this rather major project was to put my collection into some kind of compendium form that would attract my children to the music that had been of such significance in my life. My collection amounted to over 10,000 hours of tapes. No two people will agree with my selection of Legends. I decided to choose from the years prior to the BeBop period, i.e., before Gillespie, Bird, Monk, Miles.
The David W. Niven Collection of Early Jazz Legends, 1921-1991
650 tapes · 1,000 hours · 1,378 WAV files · 637 GB · 691 JPEG scans of cassette liner cards & literature. Meticulously Collected, Compiled, and Narrated by David W. Niven, 1930-1993. Generously Donated by David W. Niven to the Foxborough High School Jazz Program, Stephen C. Massey, Director, 2010. Archived to CD-Quality Digital Audio by Kevin J. Powers, 2010-2011.
An Early Jazz Recording Collection by David W. Niven
My 20-year-old cousin introduced me to jazz when I was 10. It was a 10” 78 RPM OK recording of “My Heart” made in Chicago on November 12, 1925, by Louis Armstrong's Hot Five with Kid Ory, trombone; Johnny Dodds, clarinet; Lil Armstrong, piano; and Johnny St. Cyr, banjo. On the reverse was “Cornet Chop Suey.”
My hip cousin then advised me to get some recordings by another cornetist, Bix Beiderbecke, who started recording for OK the same year (1925). I dug, again, into my newspaper route money (35 cents) and bought the October 5, 1927, recording of “At the Jazz Band Ball,” backed by “Jazz Me Blues” by “Bix and his Gang”: Bix on cornet; Bill Rank, trombone; Don Murray, clarinet; Adrian Rollini, bass sax; Frank Signorelli, piano; and Chauncey Morehouse, drums. Over the next few years, I acquired every record Bix made prior to his early death in 1931.
Encouraged by my interest in jazz recordings, my cousin came up with a third suggestion for my collection: Duke Ellington. One year prior to Louis' and Bix's first recording, Duke and his six piece band “The Washingtonians” with Bubber Miley, cornet; Charlie Irvis, trombone; Otto Hardwicke, sax; Fred Guy, banjo; Sonny Greer, drums; and Duke, piano, had their initial commercial recording date in November 1924. I became the proud owner of every recording up to the start of WWII and some 75% of his recordings until his death in 1974, some 180 hours of the recorded Duke Ellington.
Throughout the ten years prior to WWII, during my high school and college years, my 78 RPM 10”, followed by 33 1/3 RPM LP, collection grew to the thousands. All the big names of jazz, along with lesser legends, were included, and I found myself with a first class treasure of early jazz music. But I also found that such a collection was a first-class burden when I was moving through the post-war years with family, financial, and other fidelity responsibilities taking priority. I had always hoped that maybe at least one of my kids would show an interest in my collection, so I began making tapes that could include a chronological compilation of my collection, along with commentary: date and place of recording, personnel, soloists, etc.
The main reason for doing this rather major project was to put my collection into some kind of compendium form that would attract my children to the music that had been of such significance in my life. My collection amounted to over 10,000 hours of tapes. No two people will agree with my selection of Legends. I decided to choose from the years prior to the BeBop period, i.e., before Gillespie, Bird, Monk, Miles.
Dtknuckles
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So re the Shabaka talk. What do people get out of Sons vs ancestors that would make them Choose on over the other?
agutierrezb
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Sons is more unique, largely due to the odd formation of the quartet, but Ancestors gives me more enjoyment. I'm more fond of spiritual jazz with polyrhythmic percussion and some spoken word sprinkled on top. Sons is very fun, but Ancestors feels way more trascendental to me. But again, it's mostly matter of my personal preference for that kind of jazz.
Mr Moore
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15 quid's a good price on this Pure Pleasure reissue from Linda Hill
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Skalap
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Ordered! Thanks!
HuddieLedbetter
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5 records from active musicians that I should order? Times are hard -- let me know five you love that I should order.
Some challenging notes (just to make it interesting)
1. Makaya Mccravem:. I find some of his short edits less complete sounding and wish he would build out the ideas more fully
2. Shabaka Hutchings:. I got incredibly excited by My Queen is a Reptile -- and in the end I felt like it was a brilliant idea that was repeated and not explored enough. I spin side A some.... The most recent ancestors album (digital listen) I liked and love the session for the first 30+ minutes -- but by ~"side three" I wanted them to bridge a new structure as a unit. If I compare to some of the classics of spiritual jazz it's an awesome modern statement, but falls short of the ecstacy of the Pharoah Sanders Jewels of Thought, etc. This is unfair because they were doing more in less time (and, um, classic) -- and the session felt tighter
3. GoGo Penguin, EST are always fun listens -- and hey, if that's your five, I'll buy them! -- but something else?
4. I've really liked my first times with Christian Scott Atunde Adjuah
5. Ambrose Akinmusire does some great things
6. Cecile McLorlorn Slavant is grand
6. Joel Ross, Kingmaker -- good -- but much of the blue note review sets were better (unfair I know)
I'm shooting for alive, earlier career, can't gig, would benefit from someone buying records,.and while I "want" Hutchings to be doing a little more, a little less circular, a little more surprise -- if the vote is but those, I'm in.
Give me five you love from folks that should sell records
Some challenging notes (just to make it interesting)
1. Makaya Mccravem:. I find some of his short edits less complete sounding and wish he would build out the ideas more fully
2. Shabaka Hutchings:. I got incredibly excited by My Queen is a Reptile -- and in the end I felt like it was a brilliant idea that was repeated and not explored enough. I spin side A some.... The most recent ancestors album (digital listen) I liked and love the session for the first 30+ minutes -- but by ~"side three" I wanted them to bridge a new structure as a unit. If I compare to some of the classics of spiritual jazz it's an awesome modern statement, but falls short of the ecstacy of the Pharoah Sanders Jewels of Thought, etc. This is unfair because they were doing more in less time (and, um, classic) -- and the session felt tighter
3. GoGo Penguin, EST are always fun listens -- and hey, if that's your five, I'll buy them! -- but something else?
4. I've really liked my first times with Christian Scott Atunde Adjuah
5. Ambrose Akinmusire does some great things
6. Cecile McLorlorn Slavant is grand
6. Joel Ross, Kingmaker -- good -- but much of the blue note review sets were better (unfair I know)
I'm shooting for alive, earlier career, can't gig, would benefit from someone buying records,.and while I "want" Hutchings to be doing a little more, a little less circular, a little more surprise -- if the vote is but those, I'm in.
Give me five you love from folks that should sell records
kafunis
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Jamie Branch, Collocutor, Maisha , Damon Locks , Jeff Parker , ya got any of them ?
5 records from active musicians that I should order? Times are hard -- let me know five you love that I should order.
Some challenging notes (just to make it interesting)
1. Makaya Mccravem:. I find some of his short edits less complete sounding and wish he would build out the ideas more fully
2. Shabaka Hutchings:. I got incredibly excited by My Queen is a Reptile -- and in the end I felt like it was a brilliant idea that was repeated and not explored enough. I spin side A some.... The most recent ancestors album (digital listen) I liked and love the session for the first 30+ minutes -- but by ~"side three" I wanted them to bridge a new structure as a unit. If I compare to some of the classics of spiritual jazz it's an awesome modern statement, but falls short of the ecstacy of the Pharoah Sanders Jewels of Thought, etc. This is unfair because they were doing more in less time (and, um, classic) -- and the session felt tighter
3. GoGo Penguin, EST are always fun listens -- and hey, if that's your five, I'll buy them! -- but something else?
4. I've really liked my first times with Christian Scott Atunde Adjuah
5. Ambrose Akinmusire does some great things
6. Cecile McLorlorn Slavant is grand
6. Joel Ross, Kingmaker -- good -- but much of the blue note review sets were better (unfair I know)
I'm shooting for alive, earlier career, can't gig, would benefit from someone buying records,.and while I "want" Hutchings to be doing a little more, a little less circular, a little more surprise -- if the vote is but those, I'm in.
Give me five you love from folks that should sell records
MikeH
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I’d agree with this and say check out some of the other International Anthem stuff that @kafunis mentioned (I can speak to Jamie Branch and Jeff Parker at least). I was listening to the new Jeff Parker album on vinyl again earlier today and really dig it. I quite like the Maya McCraven reimagining of Gil Scott Heron album that came out recently (on XL, not international anthem) as well as the new Alabaster DePlume album. And IA seems like an awesome smaller label. I’ve ordered quite a few things from their bandcamp and everything arrived packaged well.
HuddieLedbetter
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So 3 IA; Gil Scott; and....?
Tj.
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I would vote for Jeremy Cunningham, he drums with Jeff Parker, who is also on and co-produced the album. This is his second album as a bandleader and it is really good.
stpaulbrowns
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This is a great idea! Let me give it some thought.5 records from active musicians that I should order? Times are hard -- let me know five you love that I should order.
Some challenging notes (just to make it interesting)
1. Makaya Mccravem:. I find some of his short edits less complete sounding and wish he would build out the ideas more fully
2. Shabaka Hutchings:. I got incredibly excited by My Queen is a Reptile -- and in the end I felt like it was a brilliant idea that was repeated and not explored enough. I spin side A some.... The most recent ancestors album (digital listen) I liked and love the session for the first 30+ minutes -- but by ~"side three" I wanted them to bridge a new structure as a unit. If I compare to some of the classics of spiritual jazz it's an awesome modern statement, but falls short of the ecstacy of the Pharoah Sanders Jewels of Thought, etc. This is unfair because they were doing more in less time (and, um, classic) -- and the session felt tighter
3. GoGo Penguin, EST are always fun listens -- and hey, if that's your five, I'll buy them! -- but something else?
4. I've really liked my first times with Christian Scott Atunde Adjuah
5. Ambrose Akinmusire does some great things
6. Cecile McLorlorn Slavant is grand
6. Joel Ross, Kingmaker -- good -- but much of the blue note review sets were better (unfair I know)
I'm shooting for alive, earlier career, can't gig, would benefit from someone buying records,.and while I "want" Hutchings to be doing a little more, a little less circular, a little more surprise -- if the vote is but those, I'm in.
Give me five you love from folks that should sell records
TCell
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Give me five you love from folks that should sell records
Love Shabaka and Joel Ross, but they get a lot of love, so I'll go with these five from the last year or so, as albums that have warranted repeat listens:
Moses Boyd - Dark Matter
Jeff Parker - Suite for Max Brown
Pat Metheny - From This Place
Theon Cross - Fyah
Dave Douglas / Uri Caine / Andrew Cyrille - Devotion (No Vinyl edition as far as I know though)
EDIT: Obviously Pat Metheny and Dave Douglas aren't "earlier career", but I feel like sometimes the vets get forgotten for the hot new thing, and I really like their most recent albums.
kafunis
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Muriel Grossman ?
kafunis
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Oh yeah, forgot about Theon, that's a good one too !!
Poly-Rythmo
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Some thoughts/overlap with others:5 records from active musicians that I should order? Times are hard -- let me know five you love that I should order.
Some challenging notes (just to make it interesting)
1. Makaya Mccravem:. I find some of his short edits less complete sounding and wish he would build out the ideas more fully
2. Shabaka Hutchings:. I got incredibly excited by My Queen is a Reptile -- and in the end I felt like it was a brilliant idea that was repeated and not explored enough. I spin side A some.... The most recent ancestors album (digital listen) I liked and love the session for the first 30+ minutes -- but by ~"side three" I wanted them to bridge a new structure as a unit. If I compare to some of the classics of spiritual jazz it's an awesome modern statement, but falls short of the ecstacy of the Pharoah Sanders Jewels of Thought, etc. This is unfair because they were doing more in less time (and, um, classic) -- and the session felt tighter
3. GoGo Penguin, EST are always fun listens -- and hey, if that's your five, I'll buy them! -- but something else?
4. I've really liked my first times with Christian Scott Atunde Adjuah
5. Ambrose Akinmusire does some great things
6. Cecile McLorlorn Slavant is grand
6. Joel Ross, Kingmaker -- good -- but much of the blue note review sets were better (unfair I know)
I'm shooting for alive, earlier career, can't gig, would benefit from someone buying records,.and while I "want" Hutchings to be doing a little more, a little less circular, a little more surprise -- if the vote is but those, I'm in.
Give me five you love from folks that should sell records
Muriel Grossmann - Golden Rule
My favourite from recent years. A bit of a Coltrane/spiritual vibe. (And if you like this check out Reverence by her too)
Maisha - There Is A Place
Top notch spiritual jazz, but fairly short as just an EP
Theon Cross - Fyah
The tuba player from Sons of Kemet but teams.up with Nubya Garcia and Moses Boyd on this one.
Mammal Hands
If you like Gogo Penguin (and I personally like EST a lot more) then check out Mammal Hands. They were on the same label, and are piano, sax and drums trio. I prefer them to Gogo by some distance, and I like Gogo.
Cykada
New group on the fab Astigmatic label from Poland. They're based in London and have a pretty raucous sound with guitar in the mix.
Bonus pick
Quin Kirchner - The Other Side of Time
Another Chicago drummer, this is sadly impossible to find on vinyl currently but I really dig this. Not cut and up and edited like Makaya, but very inventive.
Skalap
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5 records from active musicians that I should order? Times are hard -- let me know five you love that I should order.
Some challenging notes (just to make it interesting)
1. Makaya Mccravem:. I find some of his short edits less complete sounding and wish he would build out the ideas more fully
2. Shabaka Hutchings:. I got incredibly excited by My Queen is a Reptile -- and in the end I felt like it was a brilliant idea that was repeated and not explored enough. I spin side A some.... The most recent ancestors album (digital listen) I liked and love the session for the first 30+ minutes -- but by ~"side three" I wanted them to bridge a new structure as a unit. If I compare to some of the classics of spiritual jazz it's an awesome modern statement, but falls short of the ecstacy of the Pharoah Sanders Jewels of Thought, etc. This is unfair because they were doing more in less time (and, um, classic) -- and the session felt tighter
3. GoGo Penguin, EST are always fun listens -- and hey, if that's your five, I'll buy them! -- but something else?
4. I've really liked my first times with Christian Scott Atunde Adjuah
5. Ambrose Akinmusire does some great things
6. Cecile McLorlorn Slavant is grand
6. Joel Ross, Kingmaker -- good -- but much of the blue note review sets were better (unfair I know)
I'm shooting for alive, earlier career, can't gig, would benefit from someone buying records,.and while I "want" Hutchings to be doing a little more, a little less circular, a little more surprise -- if the vote is but those, I'm in.
Give me five you love from folks that should sell records
Similar to Gogo Penguin you should check Mammal Hands, same label as GGP, and Glass Museum, a Belgian duo about to release their second album. "Similar", to Christian Scott there is Yelfris Valdés. I connect both due to their instrument and how they pay respect to their roots, first to Afro-Indian roots, second to Afro-Cuban (For the Ones was in my top list in 2020).
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