Potato-Socks
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I'm happy this topic got brought up; it inspired me to play "Interstellar Space". It's a pretty fun album.
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JohnnyCashFan
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Love this Trane/Cherry myself, but it is a bit more accessible than the others mentioned IMHO.I agree with you. To add to the others I picked up this a while ago, which I like
John Coltrane & Don Cherry - The Avant-Garde
View credits, reviews, tracks and shop for the 2017 Vinyl release of "The Avant-Garde" on Discogs.www.discogs.com
Yeah, but still later period I think
JohnnyCashFan
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Was actually recorded in 60' for Atlantic, but not released until 66'. The Ertegun's/Atlantic might of thought the world was not quite ready for it (free jazz) in 60' or that it was not up to other standards.
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That's the knowledge I didn't have. Makes sense listening to the album, but why hold it back. I wonder if it would have had a different impact if released in 60
Portland Sheriff
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Anyone have thoughts on good press for Eric Dolphy “Last Date”? I’ve read London Jazz Collector’s rundown of a few options. Not much info on Discogs. Seems like it’d be perfect for Sam Records (assuming tapes are around and in good condition).
JohnnyCashFan
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free jazz was quite a stigmatization at first in the jazz world, much like Dylan going electric in comparison. The Ertegun's may have not felt it was right to release it or just felt it would not sell even with Trane's name on it despite releasing something like Pithecanthropus Erectus from Mingus.
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from_my_stacks
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Interstellar Space and Expression are two particular favorites of mine from the last era of Coltrane. I think the in-studio later work shines brighter than the live stuff.
Why release it when you are still selling Giant Steps and My Favorite Things like hotcakes? Every time Trane put out a new Impulse record, and the further out they were, the more those two Atlantics sold.
I am a massive fan of so-called late period Coltrane (there is really no such thing, given the very condensed time frame). The band with Alice and Rashied gave him a new freedom, and the very late material, like Stellar Regions, is very structured.
BTW, it is known that the best late Coltrane is still unreleased. Seems like Universal are more interested in packaging the easier listening stuff and reissuing Ballads than really getting unreleased material out there.
JohnnyCashFan
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they give me a headache unfortunely but I understand and respect why others might like the experimentation. I have a very fine free jazz line but I also hold Trane in this most highest regard.
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kafunis
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That’s pretty much all the Trane I listen to now, I do love Ole, Africa/ Brass , Crescent ,The Vanguard stuff pre ALS , but all those post albums are amazing! Quartet Plays, Meditations, Transition, Sun Ship, Interstellar, etc . The Japanese recordings as well- Top Shelf Trane, And not forgetting The Half Note!!
Piratenovelist
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Totally forgot I had this one!
I mean it says “World Pacific Jazz” on it, but the soul label is throwing me off.
I know Buddy Rich via Whiplash, but is this one considered in the Jazz realm?
I mean it says “World Pacific Jazz” on it, but the soul label is throwing me off.
I know Buddy Rich via Whiplash, but is this one considered in the Jazz realm?
I quite like Interstellar Space since it’s so different and provides so much space for improvisation with just Rashied Ali accompanying on drums. I also have a mono copy of Ascension that I throw on if I want to clear the cobwebs out. I’ve had Om, Sun Ship and Meditations throughout the years but got rid of them. My patience for post ALS Coltrane is pretty low though.
Selaws
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Ah nice! I found a copy of this earlier in the summer. Definitely jazz, yes.
Buddy was somewhat of the 'bad boy' of the jazz world during his prime, he even had a punch up with Sinatra. I have a run of Crescendo magazines from the late 60's where he was a guest columinst. He wrote some really great pieces and never held back. Buddy was one of the musicians from the Big Band old school that continued through the decades and only stopped when he passed away.
If you like this then check out 'Mercy Mercy'. Its another live date recorded the year before this one and certainly packs a punch. I also like his Live At Ronnie Scotts releases as well.
Selaws
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I was waiting for you to drop in on this!
I really like Live In Seattle, such a killer combo with Pharoah Sanders. Sun Ship is one that I have been meaning to get, it's been a while since I listened to it as well so might have to stream it tomorrow.
Piratenovelist
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I found mine for $1 at the thrift store and despite it being in a paper sleeve it’s pretty good looking if you ask me! Some minor scratches but they don’t look to be detrimental to playing.
It’s been cleaned once, but I haven’t gotten to listening yet.
Guess that’s gonna change here soon!
kafunis
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Buddy is definitely jazz, Swings like a MF and has incredible technique . Jus a natural talent . He started playing very young . Here he is at 12 . ,
Portland Sheriff
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Well, thanks to the horrible influencers on N&G, I finally took a (major) plunge in Japan from Ella Records on Discogs. It started with a desire to find reasonably priced but good quality presses of a couple Dolphy titles, but then the benefit of lower marginal shipping ($5/disc after first) led to a few more items.
All media is NM/M- except EX+ for Dolphy’s “Last Date.” In a few instances, I saved $ with less good sleeve quality or no obi or in the case of Herbie/Dedication, no obi and no poster. I don’t care about obi’s but would have liked the Herbie poster.
Regardless, I’m psyched, and I appreciate the suggestion of Ella Records by a bunch of N&G folks. Here’s what I got:
Eric Dolphy “Last Date” (1984; Nippon; mono)
Anthony Williams ”Spring” (1985; Toshiba)
Herbie Hancock “Dedication” (1974; CBS/Sony)
Eric Dolphy “Outward Bound” (1976; Victor)
David Bowie “Ziggy Stardust” (1982; RVC)
All media is NM/M- except EX+ for Dolphy’s “Last Date.” In a few instances, I saved $ with less good sleeve quality or no obi or in the case of Herbie/Dedication, no obi and no poster. I don’t care about obi’s but would have liked the Herbie poster.
Regardless, I’m psyched, and I appreciate the suggestion of Ella Records by a bunch of N&G folks. Here’s what I got:
Eric Dolphy “Last Date” (1984; Nippon; mono)
Anthony Williams ”Spring” (1985; Toshiba)
Herbie Hancock “Dedication” (1974; CBS/Sony)
Eric Dolphy “Outward Bound” (1976; Victor)
David Bowie “Ziggy Stardust” (1982; RVC)
Selaws
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Gutted to say this but I just found out that the legendary Peter Ind passed away at the end of August.
Ind was a bassist, producer, venue operator, author, the list goes on. I have shared stories on here before about him as he really was a fascinating character. He was a session musician that appeared on albums by Jutta Hipp, Lee Konitz, Paul Bley, etc. He actually created his own label, Wave, in the late 1950’s after producing sessions in his loft for the likes of Zoot Sims, Gerry Mulligan, and Booker Little. In addition to this, he also worked as a sound engineer for labels that included Atlantic, Verve and Bethlehem and recorded albums such as Booker Ervin’s ‘The Book Cooks’. Plus he authored a fantastic book on Lennie Tristano, it makes you wonder if there is anything he couldnt turn his hand to really!
In recent years he set up a youtube channel and instagram account and posted some really interesting bits that looked at his music and art. He actually messaged me through his Instagram once to thank me for highlighting one of his albums (the stellar 1960 'Looking Out').
Heres a few articles that highlight his impressive career.
www.theguardian.com
jazztimes.com
Ind was a bassist, producer, venue operator, author, the list goes on. I have shared stories on here before about him as he really was a fascinating character. He was a session musician that appeared on albums by Jutta Hipp, Lee Konitz, Paul Bley, etc. He actually created his own label, Wave, in the late 1950’s after producing sessions in his loft for the likes of Zoot Sims, Gerry Mulligan, and Booker Little. In addition to this, he also worked as a sound engineer for labels that included Atlantic, Verve and Bethlehem and recorded albums such as Booker Ervin’s ‘The Book Cooks’. Plus he authored a fantastic book on Lennie Tristano, it makes you wonder if there is anything he couldnt turn his hand to really!
In recent years he set up a youtube channel and instagram account and posted some really interesting bits that looked at his music and art. He actually messaged me through his Instagram once to thank me for highlighting one of his albums (the stellar 1960 'Looking Out').
Heres a few articles that highlight his impressive career.
Peter Ind obituary
Jazz bassist who worked with the best in 1950s New York and in later years was the proprietor of the Bass Clef club in London
www.theguardian.com
Peter Ind, British Bassist and Producer, Dies at 93 - JazzTimes
Peter Ind, a bassist, record producer, and venue owner whose seven-decade career made him a legend of British jazz, died on Aug. 20.
jazztimes.com
Piratenovelist
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I realized I have a Herbie Hancock too…. Guess I am a newbie XD