Jazz

Just sent them a cancellation request. Bummer, I was hoping for great things, but this Verve By Request series has been nothing but a letdown. Guess I'll keep rocking my CD copy.
I’m pretty sure they’re just taking CD files to RKS for the “mastering” and pressing it on vinyl. Whatever it is, they’ve all been lifeless.

Cramming this much music on one disc is a terrible decision, too. They did it with the MMW releases from this year as well.
 
I’m pretty sure they’re just taking CD files to RKS for the “mastering” and pressing it on vinyl. Whatever it is, they’ve all been lifeless.

Cramming this much music on one disc is a terrible decision, too. They did it with the MMW releases from this year as well.
Yeah, I read that about the MMW. I only picked up It's A Jungle In Here, and it was a tad quiet due to the side length, but thought it sounded pretty good overall. Not too flat sounding when I cranked it. But yeah,definitely would have preferred to pay more for a 2xLP

Edit: I'll add, I own most of MMWs albums on CD and they generally sound excellent and are mixed/mastered well. Only picked up Jungle LP at RSD because I was missing that one. I thought the VMP Uninvisible 2xLP was really well done, though pricey.
 
Yeah, I read that about the MMW. I only picked up It's A Jungle In Here, and it was a tad quiet due to the side length, but thought it sounded pretty good overall. Not too flat sounding when I cranked it. But yeah,definitely would have preferred to pay more for a 2xLP

Edit: I'll add, I own most of MMWs albums on CD and they generally sound excellent and are mixed/mastered well. Only picked up Jungle LP at RSD because I was missing that one. I thought the VMP Uninvisible 2xLP was really well done, though pricey.
I have many of their CDs and when I compared Jungle to my CD, I passed the vinyl along. The CD sounded better on my system. It’s a shame because those albums could really benefit from an audiophile treatment and people would for sure pay.
 
I have many of their CDs and when I compared Jungle to my CD, I passed the vinyl along. The CD sounded better on my system. It’s a shame because those albums could really benefit from an audiophile treatment and people would for sure pay.
Nice! Yeah, I'm one those people that still scrounges around in used CD bins hoping to find great albums for like $4 or less. Always looking for live Phish, Dead, and jazz CDs.

Also, looks like Greg Calbi mastered this recent pressing of A Go Go, not RKS.
 
I’m pretty sure they’re just taking CD files to RKS for the “mastering” and pressing it on vinyl. Whatever it is, they’ve all been lifeless.

Cramming this much music on one disc is a terrible decision, too. They did it with the MMW releases from this year as well.
I don’t even think RKS is doing the whole series anymore?

From what some friends said, the MMWs sounded good after cranking. All of the VBRs I’ve heard have been awful and I’ve given up on the series. Sucks they saved so many good titles for it.
 
I don’t even think RKS is doing the whole series anymore?

From what some friends said, the MMWs sounded good after cranking. All of the VBRs I’ve heard have been awful and I’ve given up on the series. Sucks they saved so many good titles for it.
The MMW’s do sound fine when you crank it, but it’s because they cram almost 30 minutes of music on each side. They’re all nearly 60 minutes and all on one disc.

Compared side by side with CD, the CD was better in all three that I have/tested (Jungle, Shack-Man, and Friday Afternoon). It’s fine for those who just wanted them on vinyl, but they could’ve used better treatment for such dynamic music.
 
Nice! Yeah, I'm one those people that still scrounges around in used CD bins hoping to find great albums for like $4 or less. Always looking for live Phish, Dead, and jazz CDs.

Also, looks like Greg Calbi mastered this recent pressing of A Go Go, not RKS.
Ah interesting, I thought RKS was doing the whole series but maybe that was just the first few. I tapped out after the Ptah, James Brown and Mel Brown - they were all underwhelming.
 
Just sent them a cancellation request. Bummer, I was hoping for great things, but this Verve By Request series has been nothing but a letdown. Guess I'll keep rocking my CD copy.
Yup. The only two I have grabbed are Ahmad Jamal's Awakening and Yusef Lateef- Psychicemotus because I love both those records. Both pressings are entirely mediocre - I do get more enjoyment than from streaming at CD quality, but I likely will not be purchasing any more of this series.
 
I’m pretty sure they’re just taking CD files to RKS for the “mastering” and pressing it on vinyl. Whatever it is, they’ve all been lifeless.

Cramming this much music on one disc is a terrible decision, too. They did it with the MMW releases from this year as well.
The Scofield is a 16/44 master. So, basically, it is for all intents mastering the CD files.

I am fine with the VBR I have bought, which are the Alice, Lateef, Shepp, Brooks and Land. In the first three cases, there are no tapes. RKS did a sterling (no pun) job with whatever digital source is left. For example, Ptah is not what a true Impulse first press sound like. There is something just organic and magical there, yet the RKS is very good. As the recording was made in the Dix Hills basement, the recording doesn't have studio level separation and the piano doesn't have any air around it. On the RKS, he has managed to bring some clarity and air around the piano, but loses some of the organic tone. Even though I have a mint OG, I enjoy the RKS.

Kwanza is a mish-mash of different sessions and an OG is ok, not fantastic. The RKS is quite good. The Peacemaker is fantastic.

If you can find a mint, listenable OG Psychicemotus, all the best. It was neither pressed nor sold in large quantities and most overseas affiliates didn't pick it up. The VBR sound quite decent, and miles ahead of an earlier, very lame VBR issue.

Sure, not TP, not Impex, not SC level - Universal in most cases never will be -but quite decent. RKS isn't going to do bad work.

The Scofield likely is on a single disc because Universal made it so. They likely figured sales wouldn't reach a justifiable level if it were on two.

Yes, I too hate paper inners. I replace them instantly, after I have given the record a quick manual First RV hit. After that, I haven't had a problem pressing so far.
 
The Scofield is a 16/44 master. So, basically, it is for all intents mastering the CD files.

I am fine with the VBR I have bought, which are the Alice, Lateef, Shepp, Brooks and Land. In the first three cases, there are no tapes. RKS did a sterling (no pun) job with whatever digital source is left. For example, Ptah is not what a true Impulse first press sound like. There is something just organic and magical there, yet the RKS is very good. As the recording was made in the Dix Hills basement, the recording doesn't have studio level separation and the piano doesn't have any air around it. On the RKS, he has managed to bring some clarity and air around the piano, but loses some of the organic tone. Even though I have a mint OG, I enjoy the RKS.

Kwanza is a mish-mash of different sessions and an OG is ok, not fantastic. The RKS is quite good. The Peacemaker is fantastic.

If you can find a mint, listenable OG Psychicemotus, all the best. It was neither pressed nor sold in large quantities and most overseas affiliates didn't pick it up. The VBR sound quite decent, and miles ahead of an earlier, very lame VBR issue.

Sure, not TP, not Impex, not SC level - Universal in most cases never will be -but quite decent. RKS isn't going to do bad work.

The Scofield likely is on a single disc because Universal made it so. They likely figured sales wouldn't reach a justifiable level if it were on two.

Yes, I too hate paper inners. I replace them instantly, after I have given the record a quick manual First RV hit. After that, I haven't had a problem pressing so far.
It would be interesting to know when the Ptah tapes went missing. I have the CD from 96ish and it’s so much better than the VBR. I think Turd Man/Universal has done such a bad job on the ones I’ve heard and it’s a shame that they have kept certain titles for their own series. Quality control has been all over the place on the ones I got and I just gave up in the end.
 
It would be interesting to know when the Ptah tapes went missing. I have the CD from 96ish and it’s so much better than the VBR. I think Turd Man/Universal has done such a bad job on the ones I’ve heard and it’s a shame that they have kept certain titles for their own series. Quality control has been all over the place on the ones I got and I just gave up in the end.
Ptah, like 90% of Impulse, Verve, etc. aren't missing, they went up in smoke.

Titles like Kwanza, Psychicemotus, etc. aren't going to be picked up by an audiophile label. Couldn't anyways - digital file only.
 
Had an interesting chat with a guy at the Third Man shop here in London yesterday.

I work around the corner from it and popped in to ask if they take in-store reservations for upcoming releases (pre-orders for you internet savvy kids), or a specific idea as to how many copies of the upcoming Muriel Grossmann they are expecting. He had a look on the system and he said that he doesnt actually expect to receive any of the coloured pressings in store as the pre-orders have almost sold out and they didnt reserve any for in-store purchase.

Its a real shame really as its taking away from the whole experience of heading to a local shop. He actually suggested I pre-ordered online because they are note getting a substantial amount of the standard pressing either.
 
Had an interesting chat with a guy at the Third Man shop here in London yesterday.

I work around the corner from it and popped in to ask if they take in-store reservations for upcoming releases (pre-orders for you internet savvy kids), or a specific idea as to how many copies of the upcoming Muriel Grossmann they are expecting. He had a look on the system and he said that he doesnt actually expect to receive any of the coloured pressings in store as the pre-orders have almost sold out and they didnt reserve any for in-store purchase.

It’s a real shame really as its taking away from the whole experience of heading to a local shop. He actually suggested I pre-ordered online because they are note getting a substantial amount of the standard pressing either.
That Third Man is a tourist attraction more than it is a record store. It’s really weird IMO what Jack White has done with the shop.
 
That Third Man is a tourist attraction more than it is a record store. It’s really weird IMO what Jack White has done with the shop.
Its really bizarre, they have a decent enough stock of records considering its size and have a wall of all the Blue Note 313 series, which is why their bluntness regarding the Muriel Grossmann threw me off.

It is very much set out like a gift shop though, feels like its the end shop of an exhibition or something.
 
That Third Man is a tourist attraction more than it is a record store. It’s really weird IMO what Jack White has done with the shop.
Haven’t been to the London shop, but that is similar to how I felt about Detroit and Nashville. Went to the Detroit store and bought an lp that cost the same as anywhere else and a coffee mug. Don’t think I even bought anything in Nashville. Overall very meh
 
I don’t even think RKS is doing the whole series anymore?

From what some friends said, the MMWs sounded good after cranking. All of the VBRs I’ve heard have been awful and I’ve given up on the series. Sucks they saved so many good titles for it.
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Really cool you can do a similar comparison.
I look forward to your feedback.

The OJC is shallow. Sharp around the edges, very little bass presence. But it's organic, live sounding so I can appreciate both.
But if I have to choose..... BG is so yummy good to the ears.


To me it's obvious on the needle drop, but everyone has their own take.
Let us know what you think!
I’ve had a chance to A/B the Go West! box pressing of Way Out West versus the OJC, and you described the differences almost perfectly to my ears. Rollins’s tone is definitely fuller and more lush on the BG cut. The bass clarity and presence is probably the most obvious distinction. It’s like a different album from a bass-focused perspective. Drums and cymbals are more laid back for sure in the BG cut compared to the OJC, which has more of a live and forward vibe on the drums and cymbals (especially the cymbals, which are really in your face on the OJC). Rollins’s tone is more lean on the OJC but it cuts straight through in a way that some people might prefer.

For me (and my ears and system), these kinds of differences are consistent with differences in how I perceive RKS and BG cut jazz reissues compared to KG. The former seem to have more warmth and midrange and low-end guts compared to KG who seems to emphasize the outer edges a bit more, particularly in the high range. I’m not saying KG’s cuts sound like dried jerky. I have plenty of his reissues that I really like — a lot — but I consistently prefer cuts by these other guys in the jazz realm, at least.

In any event, regardless of what I think and how shitty my ears might be, I highly recommend the Go West! box, especially if you can get it for under $40 like some of us were able to. I wasn’t even looking at this box b4 that Movie Mars sale bc I was happy with the OJC Way Out West, but I’m really glad I pulled the trigger.
 
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