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TenderLovingKiller® said:
I know this is probably a bit of a hot take but it’s one that I have always agreed with and probably explained better than I would be able to…
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It’s Time to Redeem "Prometheus"

We were all disappointed by Ridley Scott’s new vision for the series. But to quote Noomi Rapace’s Dr. Shaw, “We were wrong. We were so, so wrong.”
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The trailer for that movie looked awesome...the film sadly was not ......the follow up ......even worse
 
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Max Sterling said:
I don't remember much about the 3rd movie, as it was hot garbage. But is this going to be some sort of reboot-quel? Like, a retcon of some of the decisions they made? There's a lot of returning cast, but also a lot of new cast... It's actually making me want to see the movie to see what they're doing.
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Color me excited. Also, does this negate what happened in Revolutions? I had to double-check wikipedia, but they do reboot the Matrix and expect Neo to return. Can't say I know what's happening in this trailer, but seems like he's back and stuck in the Matrix once more.
 
Bull Shannon said:
Color me excited. Also, does this negate what happened in Revolutions? I had to double-check wikipedia, but they do reboot the Matrix and expect Neo to return. Can't say I know what's happening in this trailer, but seems like he's back and stuck in the Matrix once more.
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Yeah, it does seem like he's back and stuck in the Matrix once more. I'm not sure what's going on here or what to expect. Excited about this, and will for sure see it as it will be on HBO MAX.
 
Indymisanthrope said:
3 quick thoughts:
1. Looks gorgeous on its own terms.
2. Yahya looks eerily like young Larry Fishburne.
3. I recently rewatched the first one. I remember that when I first saw it in theaters, the question of "what's going on?" keeps you from questioning a lot of what happens in the first act of the film. Rewatching it, there's a certain awkwardness to the in media res nature of how we're dropped into Thomas Anderson's story. You actually learn almost nothing about him before weird stuff starts happening. He's...a guy, who does illegal hacking stuff, and he just somehow...knows that he needs to be searching for someone named Morpheus to explain the Matrix to him. But there's no real background on how he learned about these concepts, or how he figured out that he needed to track Morpheus down, or any of it. He's just a person of interest almost from the jump who "senses" that there's something more to the world than he can see. And the biggest loophole of the movie, upon rewatching it, is why do the agents need to track Neo down inside the Matrix at all? They're clearly aware of him and of Morpheus' interest in him before Neo has any idea what's going on. Why can't they just look at his, I don't know, IP address or whatever, and send a robot over to his pod in the real world and terminate his physical body, bing bang boom problem solved?

So I like the idea of resetting and giving a little more air to the idea of what it means to the psyche to suspect, and then confirm, that your entire life's experience is just the shadow on the cave wall or whatever (in the original, Neo throws up and then shivers on the deck of the Nebuchadnezzar for a couple of days, but then is basically fine). But I also hope it's not a) a complete rehash, because then what's the point outside of better special effects, or b) something something Jessica Henwick is Neo & Trinity's daughter and "ohhh, she's the ACTUAL One, so we have to do this all over again" something something.
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Complete wild guess here, but I'd imagine that if people are able to independently hack into the Matrix and surreptitiously plug themselves in to it, that implies the machines are somewhat deficient in their ability to police it. Maybe unplugging someone out of nowhere and pulling them out of the Matrix messes up the simulation (though it seems like they could just give someone in-Matrix cardiac failure); if they need the Agents to stop hackers from inside the Matrix, it must be because the simple tech-support option of unplugging a person and plugging them back in is not possible. Plus I think the Agents apprehended Neo because they wanted to track him and catch Morpheus.
 
Indymisanthrope said:
3 quick thoughts:
1. Looks gorgeous on its own terms.
2. Yahya looks eerily like young Larry Fishburne.
3. I recently rewatched the first one. I remember that when I first saw it in theaters, the question of "what's going on?" keeps you from questioning a lot of what happens in the first act of the film. Rewatching it, there's a certain awkwardness to the in media res nature of how we're dropped into Thomas Anderson's story. You actually learn almost nothing about him before weird stuff starts happening. He's...a guy, who does illegal hacking stuff, and he just somehow...knows that he needs to be searching for someone named Morpheus to explain the Matrix to him. But there's no real background on how he learned about these concepts, or how he figured out that he needed to track Morpheus down, or any of it. He's just a person of interest almost from the jump who "senses" that there's something more to the world than he can see. And the biggest loophole of the movie, upon rewatching it, is why do the agents need to track Neo down inside the Matrix at all? They're clearly aware of him and of Morpheus' interest in him before Neo has any idea what's going on. Why can't they just look at his, I don't know, IP address or whatever, and send a robot over to his pod in the real world and terminate his physical body, bing bang boom problem solved?

So I like the idea of resetting and giving a little more air to the idea of what it means to the psyche to suspect, and then confirm, that your entire life's experience is just the shadow on the cave wall or whatever (in the original, Neo throws up and then shivers on the deck of the Nebuchadnezzar for a couple of days, but then is basically fine). But I also hope it's not a) a complete rehash, because then what's the point outside of better special effects, or b) something something Jessica Henwick is Neo & Trinity's daughter and "ohhh, she's the ACTUAL One, so we have to do this all over again" something something.
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Bull Shannon said:
Complete wild guess here, but I'd imagine that if people are able to independently hack into the Matrix and surreptitiously plug themselves in to it, that implies the machines are somewhat deficient in their ability to police it. Maybe unplugging someone out of nowhere and pulling them out of the Matrix messes up the simulation (though it seems like they could just give someone in-Matrix cardiac failure); if they need the Agents to stop hackers from inside the Matrix, it must be because the simple tech-support option of unplugging a person and plugging them back in is not possible. Plus I think the Agents apprehended Neo because they wanted to track him and catch Morpheus.
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In the sequels we learn that there were several iterations of Neo prior to the events in the original films. Perhaps this is one of the previous iteration (hence the younger Morphious). The AI also said it tried several different virtual realities prior to the 1998 simulation it goes with, the VR in the new film looks very 2020s with everyone steering at their phone and whatnot. I could see this whole thing being a mind fuck big reveal that it’s actually a prequel as opposed to a sequel.
 
Indymisanthrope said:
I think I only ever saw Reloaded and Revolutions once each. I vaguely remember The Merovingian, the twins, Monica Bellucci, The Architect, the Zion rave scene, blah blah blah, and none of it ultimately mattering, because Neo goes from being Computer Jesus to being Actual Jesus in the end.

Did they ever address what's up with all the other candidates who are potentially The One at the oracle's apartment in the first movie? I always thought the way the sequel would go was Neo waking up a little kickass in-Matrix army. They make a big deal about how they never wake up adults because their minds fracture when they do it, so ostensibly there should be a bunch of adolescents with quasi-Neo spoonbending powers to help further humanity's mission, but my memory is that the sequels sort of ignore the mission statement from the final scene of the first film.
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That would be a good way to relaunch a franchise too, bring in some young misfit teens with special abilities. They could all attend Morphious School for Gifted Youngsters and Neo could lead them on adventures to battle Magnet…err…Mr. Anderson.
 
Indymisanthrope said:
If they wanted to relaunch the franchise and center it around Monica Bellucci, I wouldn't be mad about that either.
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gaporter said:
I don't really care about the Matrix, but since we're talking about the Wachowskis, Speed Racer is an extremely wonderful and underrated movie.
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I immediately forgot the name of it but that lesbian gangster bank heist movie they did before the matrix was pretty good too.
 
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