ayayrawn
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It's still significantly worse than the critics made it out to be. The movie's a laughing stock in Latin America.
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DownIsTheNewUp
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It's the worst thing I watched all of last year. I rarely loathe films but I fucking loathed it. In a year where I thought there was a lot of really good stuff.
Anora winning heavy last night has had interesting blowback. Lots of people long for the days where blockbusters cleaned up. Thing is, most modern blockbuster suck ass and mid budget films don’t make $ anymore.
Anora is a phenomenal film. Not quite as good as Flordia Project, but certainly still among the years very best.
We are at exactly the 10 year mark since the voting block got reworked to add more POC and international voters.
Here is how I would rank the past 10– of note, Birdman was 11 yesr ago but would be in tier I:
Tier 1: 5 star masterpiece
1. Parasite
2. Everything Everywhere All at Once
3. Moonlight
Tier 2: Extremely good and very worthy
4. Anora
5. Oppenheimer
6. Spotlight
Tier 3: Solid but shouldn’t have won
7. The Shape of Water– Get Out should have won but it was a stacked year in general. Dunkirk, Lady Bird, Call Me By Your Name and Phantom Thread… sheesh.
Tier 4: It was fine
8. Nomadland– weak year but Minari, Judas and the Black Masiah and the Sound of Metal are vastly superior. It's not that Nomadland was too slow for me; it's that it was toothless in its themes.
Tier 5: WTF
9. Green Book (Roma will go down as one of the biggest snubs in Oscar history)
10. Coda (another weak year but this movie is as mid as mid gets. Dune Pt, Liquorice Pizza and Power of the Dog would have been worthy)
Personally, I think adding to the voting block has mostly been a success. 3 straight years where I'm content with the winner and 7/11 years is a pretty damn high hit rate even it comes with hiccups like Emelia Perez getting too much love due to international voters.
Films like Pulp Fiction would have won with this voting block. Eternal Sunshine would have had a good chance and would have at least been nominated. Ext.
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Bull Shannon
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Also seems very cart-horse; most Best Picture winners made a lot of money because of the accolades. Very few Best Picture winners could be pointed to as "blockbusters," and their financial success could be laid at the feet of a long release schedule which was prolonged by people ticking boxes on their Oscar lists, or even catching up to the movie once it's won.
Looking at the list, I don't see many "blockbuster" winners over the course of the Award's existence. Maybe there's something to be said for the monocultural impact of previous winners before the 00s/10s or so...
ayayrawn
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The Brutalist isn't a bad win there tho. Movie looks amazing.
DownIsTheNewUp
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I was VERY happy Brutalist won score and cinematography. Just an absolutely visually stunning film. Conclave was gorgeous but pretty standard in its approach. Brutalist has moving cameras, bold compositions and an esthetic that matched its themes and content.
Meanwhile, it winning best score means Johnny Greenwood may actually win some day. It was definitely influenced by the moody, experimental stuff he has been doing with PTA.
DownIsTheNewUp
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All true. I think it boils down to international voters leaning towards character studies (see Cannes) and Americans being pre-programmed to want a clear plot.
LeSamourai
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I am a huuuuge del Toro fan, and I agree this one shouldn't have won. It's almost like everyone knew he deserves an award at some point but also that a lot of the time he doesn't make the kinds of movies the Academy Awards like to recognize, so I see it more as an overall award for him, than for this movie.
gaporter
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I made a point of seeing every Best Picture nominee that year and thought The Shape of Water was far and away the best of all of them but I didn't think it actually had any chance of winning. Needless to say I was overjoyed when it went to GDT. All these years later though I'd probably say my favorite of that crop is actually Phantom Thread.
ayayrawn
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That was a stacked year, and I would've been happy with like 5 of those nominees, including Shape of Water, winning BP. Is it Del Toro's best film, no, but it's a lovely passion project that's an amalgamation of his best qualities as a filmmaker.
DownIsTheNewUp
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One of my favorite years, all time. Perhaps in part bc I had movie pass and saw everything. But also because there was just so much mid-budget filmmaking with a distinct voice.
I Toyna remains an all-time favorite. I've watched it probably 5-10x over the years. Blade Runner 2049 was that year too.
But I thought Get Out should have one it at the time and I think that's still my stance today. Visionary and riveting filmmaking, marked the emergence of a vital filmamker and it's themes are as relevant as ever.
PTA winning would have been nice. But the film from that decade that I'd choose to be the one he won for would be The Master. Unfortunately, it's polarizing and wasn't even nominated.
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