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RenegadeMonster said:
www.reuters.com

Coronavirus clue? Most cases aboard U.S. aircraft carrier are symptom-free

Sweeping testing of the entire crew of the coronavirus-stricken U.S. aircraft carrier Theodore Roosevelt may have revealed a clue about the pandemic: The majority of the positive cases so far are among sailors who are asymptomatic, officials say.
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Somewhat good news if that ratio holds. Means the general population herd immunity may be much higher than expected.

You could look at it the other way too and say it's bad news - in the sense that there are more "silent" carriers out there that are spreading virus. That being said, there is no data on how much virus is shed by asymptomatic carriers. Presumably, if you are not coughing, you are not spreading as much.

I can't wait until random serological tests are performed on the population. It's the major missing piece of the puzzle right now.
 
Turbo said:
Somewhat good news if that ratio holds. Means the general population herd immunity may be much higher than expected.

You could look at it the other way too and say it's bad news - in the sense that there are more "silent" carriers out there that are spreading virus. That being said, there is no data on how much virus is shed by asymptomatic carriers. Presumably, if you are not coughing, you are not spreading as much.

I can't wait until random serological tests are performed on the population. It's the major missing piece of the puzzle right now.
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The one thing I got out of this is that the younger people might be much more likely to be asymptomatic carriers. And this explains the spread not being traceable.

The bad news is, without testing of everyone this makes it clear we can't just reopen. We won't be able to trace infections. If younger people are not showing symptoms they are likely to go untested. So they could infect older people and we wouldn't be able to trace where it's coming from and stop the spread of wave 2.
 
RenegadeMonster said:
The one thing I got out of this is that the younger people might be much more likely to be asymptomatic carriers. And this explains the spread not being traceable.

The bad news is, without testing of everyone this makes it clear we can't just reopen. We won't be able to trace infections. If younger people are not showing symptoms they are likely to go untested. So they could infect older people and we wouldn't be able to trace where it's coming from and stop the spread of wave 2.
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One thing I'm trying to figure out from the article is whether the ratio of asyptomatics they report includes people that will develop/have developed symptoms after the test was done (i.e., pre-symptomatics).

The way I read it, it seems this is a ratio of people "that have not developed symptoms", meaning they were still symptom-free several days later.

I'm just speculating, but I would suspect there is a big difference between people that are asymptomatic (get COVID and never develop symptoms) and those that are pre-symptomatic. An asymptomatic's immune system would be fighting it off well and preventing the virus load from getting big. A pre-symptomatic is not fighting it off and the virus load increases, then the body starts showing symptoms to fight it off. Those people would be shedding a lot more in the pre-symptomatic days I would guess. Anyway, I wonder if this has been looked at at all.
 
On CNN they just reported that China is saying 14 days of quarantine is not enough.

China says the first case of Covid-19 in Beijing was from a Chinese college student who came back from Florida. This student was in mandatory quarantine for 14 days and during that 14 days tested negative 3 times for Covid-19. After 14 days he was released and allowed to return home to his family where he apparently infected his family with Covid-19 making his family members the first to test positive.

The student never tested positive nor ever showed any symptoms.
 
dhodo said:
Oops, sorry, I thought at least the headline would show up:

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What an absolute idiot. Do you "catch" a car crash by driving by one on the freeway? And if you didn't notice, you can't smoke in bars or restaurants anymore because of second hand smoke. Yes we didn't shut down the country for these things but we also shut down beaches when there are sharks in the water.
 
www.cnn.com

Protests are popping up across the US over stay-at-home restrictions

Protesters have been gathering in state capitals to voice their opposition to stay-at-home orders issued to slow the spread of the novel coronavirus.
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More and more states are starting to see protests over states stay at home orders.

One comment I saw is that Michigans Governor said the protests out side the the state capital look more like a political rally than a protest.
 
RenegadeMonster said:
On CNN they just reported that China is saying 14 days of quarantine is not enough.

China says the first case of Covid-19 in Beijing was from a Chinese college student who came back from Florida. This student was in mandatory quarantine for 14 days and during that 14 days tested negative 3 times for Covid-19. After 14 days he was released and allowed to return home to his family where he apparently infected his family with Covid-19 making his family members the first to test positive.

The student never tested positive nor ever showed any symptoms.
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You have to be careful with anecdotal evidence like that. Can they rule out if he caught it after the 14 days (like, on his way home)? I wouldn't be surprised if that's the case if he was negative 3 times in that 14 days.
 
Turbo said:
You have to be careful with anecdotal evidence like that. Can they rule out if he caught it after the 14 days (like, on his way home)? I wouldn't be surprised if that's the case if he was negative 3 times in that 14 days.
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It's possible. But with the tight control China has and Tracing I would say they have a pretty good idea who he came into contact with and if the virus was already in Beijing.

The question is more of do we believe China's statement. Because I wouldn't doubt them having the tracing capability to be sure the virus came from the student.
 
President Trump has been tweeting that states should be liberated which may be in reference to stay-at-home orders that he feels are overly restrictive.

Trump tweeted about three states so far, Minnesota, Michigan and Virginia, which all have Democratic governors.
 
RenegadeMonster said:
President Trump has been tweeting that states should be liberated which may be in reference to stay-at-home orders that he feels are overly restrictive.

Trump tweeted about three states so far, Minnesota, Michigan and Virginia, which all have Democratic governors.
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I think the photo of the guy in Michigan, who felt it was prudent to wear a mask while carrying his Confederate flag to protest against powers of the state to convince them to lift the quarantine orders is a perfect illustration of how little thought went into these protests.

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