Neverending Covid-19 Coronavirus

Sonicpharmacist said:
My worldview is directly caused by people with yours in this instance. People who didn’t taking masking, and the virus, seriously are the reason so many people died.
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I actually took it quite seriously at first. But the longer things went on, and the more I spent time out here working and not hiding away in fear because I was told I had to be, the less I believed the hype.

I already know that I’m going to die at an early age because of career and lifestyle. At this point I simply chose not to give up or waste anymore of my life hiding away in fear. I’m just gonna live it and enjoy it.
 
Chucktshoes said:
I actually took it quite seriously at first. But the longer things went on, and the more I spent time out here working and not hiding away in fear because I was told I had to be, the less I believed the hype.

I already know that I’m going to die at an early age because of career and lifestyle. At this point I simply chose not to give up or waste anymore of my life hiding away in fear. I’m just gonna live it and enjoy it.
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I can almost understand this mindset, but the worry of being asymptomatic and passing it to someone's grandparent or immuno-compromised son or daughter kept me in masks and away from people. Especially since my job categorizes me as essential and I never stopped working around people for the duration of the pandemic. If wearing a mask and staying a few feet apart from folks "might" keep someone from getting sick, it's an incredibly small burden to bear.
 
Chucktshoes said:
I actually took it quite seriously at first. But the longer things went on, and the more I spent time out here working and not hiding away in fear because I was told I had to be, the less I believed the hype.

I already know that I’m going to die at an early age because of career and lifestyle. At this point I simply chose not to give up or waste anymore of my life hiding away in fear. I’m just gonna live it and enjoy it.
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You seem like a good guy Chuck. I don't want to dwell too much on this whole discussion, but I'll say one thing. If you get the opportunity to get one of the vaccines, please consider it. Data is showing they are working well and it's a good way to help you personally move on from this and stay safe while also contributing to the whole.
 
Chucktshoes said:
I actually took it quite seriously at first. But the longer things went on, and the more I spent time out here working and not hiding away in fear because I was told I had to be, the less I believed the hype.

I already know that I’m going to die at an early age because of career and lifestyle. At this point I simply chose not to give up or waste anymore of my life hiding away in fear. I’m just gonna live it and enjoy it.
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You can wear masks without living in fear. We have a duty as a society to take care of each other. Masking isn’t just protecting yourself, it’s primary purpose is to protect others. Your attitude about masking shows that either you don’t think your apathy affects other people, or you don’t care.
 
I think after a year of this we shouldn’t have to explain the importance of a mask, yet here we are. The virus or severe complications shouldn’t have to happen to you for you to care about it.

For me, it’s such a simple thing and I risk nothing by putting on a mask. But the risk of not is potentially suffering in an ICU, or worse, knowing I infected someone and put them in the ICU.

I don’t think wearing a mask is “living in fear”. It’s a sign of mutual respect and compassion for fellow humans who may have been suffering far more than I have this past year.

I’m not trying to pile on Chuck here, but Libertarian views are seemingly at odds with the situation we face now. The people with the Gadsden flags flying on their houses have made it clear that their “freedoms” are more important than the greater good.
 
The .1% is pretty much the number of people that died over the entire population (0.16% to be specific). So 1.6 people for each 1000 actually died of COVID last year in the US. This in no way should be comforting though. The number doesn't account for people that have serious consequences from it, or simply those that lost loved ones and are not counted at all.
 
Turbo said:
The .1% is pretty much the number of people that died over the entire population (0.16% to be specific). So 1.6 people for each 1000 actually died of COVID last year in the US. This in no way should be comforting though. The number doesn't account for people that have serious consequences from it, or simply those that lost loved ones and are not counted at all.
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Thanks, yeah, I do know the math, it's just absolutely absurd to act like that isn't a significant number of deaths and in no way speaks to the impact of the illness itself. Covid was one of the leading causes of death in 2020, and unlike the other top 3, it's contagious. How deadly does an illness have to be to take it seriously? And how much deadlier might it be if so many of us didn't take care to try to limit spread?
 
GritNGlitter said:
Thanks, yeah, I do know the math, it's just absolutely absurd to act like that isn't a significant number of deaths and in no way speaks to the impact of the illness itself. Covid was one of the leading causes of death in 2020, and unlike the other top 3, it's contagious. How deadly does an illness have to be to take it seriously? And how much deadlier might it be if so many of us didn't take care to try to limit spread?
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Exactly as deadly as to kill someone that actually matters to the people acting like it’s no big deal.
 
You gotta ask yourself why someone who has repeatedly mentioned others making disingenuous arguments in this forum comes into a covid thread and decides to make a statement about not wearing masks to not upset others seemingly at random. Was it to get something off of their chest? Was there a question in there? did they simply want to start an argument and upset others? I mean "when in rome"

It's a shame @Chucktshoes because you have opinions and points of view that are intelligent and valuable expressions but as someone who has been on this end of your disingenuous before it sucks to see it still rearing its ugly head... it sucks that if you really wanted to have a discussion about individual choice and state mandates in the context of mask wearing you approached it under the guise of other people's views and not your own... and if you didn't want to discuss anything then you really did just want to bother someone who probably views the world differently than you.

Glad you're back buddy.
 
jaycee said:
You gotta ask yourself why someone who has repeatedly mentioned others making disingenuous arguments in this forum comes into a covid thread and decides to make a statement about not wearing masks to not upset others seemingly at random. Was it to get something off of their chest? Was there a question in there? did they simply want to start an argument and upset others? I mean "when in rome"

It's a shame @Chucktshoes because you have opinions and points of view that are intelligent and valuable expressions but as someone who has been on this end of your disingenuous before it sucks to see it still rearing its ugly head... it sucks that if you really wanted to have a discussion about individual choice and state mandates in the context of mask wearing you approached it under the guise of other people's views and not your own... and if you didn't want to discuss anything then you really did just want to bother someone who probably views the world differently than you.

Glad you're back buddy.
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I wondered the same thing, the reason for his post, if he did it for nothing else than to get a reaction.
 
If I said I didn’t know my post would cause a shitstorm, I’d actually be as full of shit as some of y’all think I am anyways. I knew it would, but that wasn’t the point or intention, simply an unpleasant, but expected side effect.

I opened this thread up read a bit of the last couple of pages as folks relayed how their lives were changing, or they were hopeful of them changing with the rollout of the vaccine. I decided to throw out there how my experience had been over the last year. I stayed working the entire time and my job doesn’t allow me to quarantine in any fashion. It isn’t that I was willynilly choosing to mix and mingle with folks, it simply was the nature of my life and business.

So over the course of the year, I experienced something very different from most of y’all. I experienced folks continuing to live their lives and go about their daily business. It helped me not be afraid. (Speaking of the general level of fear that I believe I see, I think this short essay from C. S. Lewis is very applicable to our current situation. C.S. Lewis: How Are We to Live in an Atomic Age? ) That’s with having multiple friends and relatives catch it, and losing my favorite great aunt to it.

As far as masking goes, I think most of y’all overlooked my “when in Rome” stance. While personally I’m fairly agnostic about it, I let my surrounding dictate my actions. In some places folks are pretty militant about masking and the signs are still up and prominent. I mask there. Some places, the mask orders have been rescinded and almost nobody is wearing them. I don’t wear one there unless I have some sort of symptoms of illness. As this is the start of allergy season, it means a little more masking. Like last week, I was getting hammered so I stayed masked everywhere because of the coughing and sneezing from sinus drainage. I was also doing constant sniff checks to see if my nose still worked in a little bit of personal paranoia. (That I think will be a possible change culturally in the US, the growth of acceptance of masking when folks feel ill and folks actually choosing to do so like you see in many Asian countries.)

I don’t flout mask orders or requests, nor do I judge or condemn those who do. Am I bit skeptical of their efficacy? Yeah a little. It seems that even the places with the most draconian of mask/social distancing/business operation rules still experienced multiple waves that bore no apparent relation to the orders in effect.

So that’s my perspective once again. The whole reason I made my initial post. Just to provide my perspective based on my experiences over the last year. No more, no less. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
 
jaycee said:
You gotta ask yourself why someone who has repeatedly mentioned others making disingenuous arguments in this forum comes into a covid thread and decides to make a statement about not wearing masks to not upset others seemingly at random. Was it to get something off of their chest? Was there a question in there? did they simply want to start an argument and upset others? I mean "when in rome"

It's a shame @Chucktshoes because you have opinions and points of view that are intelligent and valuable expressions but as someone who has been on this end of your disingenuous before it sucks to see it still rearing its ugly head... it sucks that if you really wanted to have a discussion about individual choice and state mandates in the context of mask wearing you approached it under the guise of other people's views and not your own... and if you didn't want to discuss anything then you really did just want to bother someone who probably views the world differently than you.

Glad you're back buddy.
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I do want to address something in here that you said a bit more directly.

I’m not making any arguments about anything. I’m not trying to convince anyone of anything. I’m not here to have anyone convince me of anything. I’m simply offering my POV where I think it fits. I think some will take it in the manner I intend. Some will find me an irritant. Some will ignore it. Some will get furious about it. Some, like you it seems, will claim that I have value to offer in my views then get mad when I offer them. Folks are free to do with it as they wish.

You’ll find I flee from aggressive or angry debates even more than I used to because they have no point. Almost nobody here has the standing in my life to make their opinion of me matter to me. I doubt that I have that standing in the life of even a single person on this board. It’s not a good or bad thing, but simply what it is. So, getting mad at people or things that happen here only results in me choosing to make my day unpleasant. I’m going to choose not to do that.
 
New data from NY suggests that variants are fueling spread. I should note that the current vaccines have been proven effective against death and hospitalization for Covid variants.

According to the Health Department, during the week of March 15-21 variants represent over 70% of COVID-19 cases sequenced. The increase suggests that they are more infectious than previously circulating variants.

Five variants of concern have been detected in New York City, according to the New York City Public Health Laboratory (PHL) and the New York City Pandemic Response Laboratory (PRL). The variants that have been detected are B.1.1.7 (first identified in the United Kingdom), B.1.351 (first detected in South Africa), B.1.427 and B.1.429 (both first identified in California), and the P.1 variant (first identified in Brazil). Three additional variants, known as variants of interest, are also being monitored in New York City: B.1.526 and B.1.525 (both first detected in NYC), and the P.2 variant (first found in Brazil).
www.amny.com

Health Dept. data: 70% of most recent COVID-19 cases in New York City are variants | amNewYork

New data shows that certain variants of COVID-19 are on the rise in New York City's coronavirus cases.
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Chucktshoes said:
Some will get furious about it. Some, like you it seems, will claim that I have value to offer in my views then get mad when I offer them.
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My issue was not your POV but the way it was presented. It wasn't presented with the context of reading the previous pages nor was it presented as your own personal value and mask wearing as you later explained, but under the guise of other people's/community's feelings about mask-wearing. So it was the lack of ownership of the perspective that I find disingenuous.

What's disappointing and frustrating about that is that whatever the intention may have been there was a point to be made, and instead of being able to talk about the point the manner in which it was attempted to be made resulted in a page of discourse about the clarification of the opinion and intention of the post.

My sense was that you were not open to debate about your perspective and after your last post that seems to be the case. I understand avoiding the conflict and that's fair-enough. Protecting your own emotional capacity is an essential life skill, but there can be reward in finding common ground and having shared perspectives even if it takes some growing pains to get there. Being able to be changed by influences outside of our own bubble and world-view is also essential imo. You're not as much of an outsider as you seem to think.
 
Just had a chat with my anti-vax coworkers. One of them said studies show that NOT ONE smoker has ever gotten Covid. It's obviously not true...I told him I know someone who did and he said "well there's one person then."

The conversation started with me letting some guys in the shop know that one of our coworker's wife got a positive test Sunday and another coworker was sent home this morning with a fever. Three of them chuckled, one faked panic and yelled "oh nooo, we're going to die!"

I will happily get my second shot Thursday, while these few guys all said they have no intention of getting a shot. One of them had a heart attack two years ago, is 57 and overweight. Another one was out last year for eight weeks from what he called allergies or bronchitis, definitely not Covid. (he only used a Teledoc for his diagnosis) He also can't breath that well outside in cold air anymore. And the third guy; his dad passed from Covid, to which he said it was only the hospital fudging numbers.

Between this and their election fraud BS, I can barely handle interacting with them anymore.
 
jaycee said:
My issue was not your POV but the way it was presented. It wasn't presented with the context of reading the previous pages nor was it presented as your own personal value and mask wearing as you later explained, but under the guise of other people's/community's feelings about mask-wearing. So it was the lack of ownership of the perspective that I find disingenuous.

What's disappointing and frustrating about that is that whatever the intention may have been there was a point to be made, and instead of being able to talk about the point the manner in which it was attempted to be made resulted in a page of discourse about the clarification of the opinion and intention of the post.

My sense was that you were not open to debate about your perspective and after your last post that seems to be the case. I understand avoiding the conflict and that's fair-enough. Protecting your own emotional capacity is an essential life skill, but there can be reward in finding common ground and having shared perspectives even if it takes some growing pains to get there. Being able to be changed by influences outside of our own bubble and world-view is also essential imo. You're not as much of an outsider as you seem to think.
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You’re right. I did a shitty job with my presentation in my initial post. I’m sorry about that.

I’m not entirely closed to discussion about views or ideas I present, but I won’t take part in them when they become heated or aggressive. I simply see no value in it.
 
nolalady said:
New data from NY suggests that variants are fueling spread. I should note that the current vaccines have been proven effective against death and hospitalization for Covid variants.

According to the Health Department, during the week of March 15-21 variants represent over 70% of COVID-19 cases sequenced. The increase suggests that they are more infectious than previously circulating variants.

Five variants of concern have been detected in New York City, according to the New York City Public Health Laboratory (PHL) and the New York City Pandemic Response Laboratory (PRL). The variants that have been detected are B.1.1.7 (first identified in the United Kingdom), B.1.351 (first detected in South Africa), B.1.427 and B.1.429 (both first identified in California), and the P.1 variant (first identified in Brazil). Three additional variants, known as variants of interest, are also being monitored in New York City: B.1.526 and B.1.525 (both first detected in NYC), and the P.2 variant (first found in Brazil).
www.amny.com

Health Dept. data: 70% of most recent COVID-19 cases in New York City are variants | amNewYork

New data shows that certain variants of COVID-19 are on the rise in New York City's coronavirus cases.
www.amny.com www.amny.com
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I think there are similar findings all over:

Children now playing 'huge role' in spread of COVID-19 variant, expert says | abc11.com

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Looks like children and young people are are having an increasingly rough time with the B.1.1.7 variant in particular. A friend in her 30s has permanent heart damage from her "mild" bout of Covid last year. This close to actual containment, I'm doing what I can prevent something similar happening to my kiddo.
 
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