Neverending Covid-19 Coronavirus

[wokeupnew]

Looks like children and young people are are having an increasingly rough time with the B.1.1.7 variant in particular

Vermont made the decision to not open up vaccinations to everyone who wants one like many states have in the northeast. The good news is over 80% of everyone above the age of 75 is fully vaccinated. The bad news is that our cases are rising to new highs because the state is opening things back up again but haven't vaccinated the majority of the working class. The highlighted quote in particular makes a lot of sense. They just now today opened up ages 40+for vaccinations. Next Monday 30+ and then the following Monday 16+/everyone.

 

[swamp]

Having a 4 month old baby puts a damper on the temptation to go post-vaccination wild. We’re still considering and negotiating what risks might feel worth it in 3-4 weeks when everyone in our nearby family will be fully vaccinated. Any articles specific to children and babies that people want to share in this thread are very welcomed.

 

[ranbalam]

My second shot is Thursday and we're currently having an outbreak at work. Wish me luck!
All the anti-vaxxers here are still unconcerned. They said they'd rather get the virus than the vaccine.
"97.6% survival rate versus only 90% on the vaccines, I'll take my chances with the virus. I WON'T live in fear!"
I can't talk to them about this anymore. (I probably keep saying that)

 

[dhodo]

My second shot is Thursday and we're currently having an outbreak at work. Wish me luck!
All the anti-vaxxers here are still unconcerned. They said they'd rather get the virus than the vaccine.
"97.6% survival rate versus only 90% on the vaccines, I'll take my chances with the virus. I WON'T live in fear!"
I can't talk to them about this anymore. (I probably keep saying that)

I won't live in fear, I'm just scared of a little shot.

 

[bother]

My second shot is Thursday and we're currently having an outbreak at work. Wish me luck!
All the anti-vaxxers here are still unconcerned. They said they'd rather get the virus than the vaccine.
"97.6% survival rate versus only 90% on the vaccines, I'll take my chances with the virus. I WON'T live in fear!"
I can't talk to them about this anymore. (I probably keep saying that)

Are they really saying there's a 10% death rate with the vaccine? Because that's totally bonkers. Typical MSM covering up hundreds of thousands of deaths from the vaccine!!!!!

 

[nolalady]

Are they really saying there's a 10% death rate with the vaccine? Because that's totally bonkers. Typical MSM covering up hundreds of thousands of deaths from the vaccine!!!!!

The vaccine is also 100% effective (so far) in avoiding hospitalization for Covid. Isn't not just about deaths and that's what a lot of anti-vaxers aren't getting.

 

[dhodo]

Are they really saying there's a 10% death rate with the vaccine? Because that's totally bonkers. Typical MSM covering up hundreds of thousands of deaths from the vaccine!!!!!

Tens of millions at this point. My father in law mumbled something about people dying, so I joked about how I guess I would die with the other 500 million people before I realized he wasn't really joking about it.

Just such a weird political fueled disconnect. He has traveled to Africa in the past and didn't bat an eye at vaccines for that, much less all the ones for his kids.

 

[ranbalam]

Are they really saying there's a 10% death rate with the vaccine?

No, just that it's only 90% effective so the survival rate is better than risking the experimental gene therapy that "they" call a vaccine.

Then they cited this article...which doesn't help matters.

246 fully vaccinated Michiganders got COVID-19 between January and March, state reports

As of Sunday, 1.8 million Michiganders were fully vaccinated, according to the state's COVID-19 vaccine dashboard

www.freep.com

 

[dhodo]

No, just that it's only 90% effective so the survival rate is better than risking the experimental gene therapy that "they" call a vaccine.

Then they cited this article...which doesn't help matters.

246 fully vaccinated Michiganders got COVID-19 between January and March, state reports

As of Sunday, 1.8 million Michiganders were fully vaccinated, according to the state's COVID-19 vaccine dashboard

www.freep.com

0.01367% is a weird statistic to cite! But no vaccines are 100%, the point is to approach herd immunity so we can get back to normal. I know I'm preaching to the choir, I'm just frustrated by arguments like this, similar to masks, that argue against false claims like whether they protect yourself 100%, instead of a good faith discussion about the true goal of the common good, protecting others, and the science behind it.

 

[Melt Face Molly Drop]

One of my friends that got the Pfizer vaccine in January just tested positive for COVID. She has no symptoms but it doesn’t bode well for the recent Pfizer announcement that the vaccine should combat covid for up to 6 months. Different folks and all that but not the most reassuring news.

 

[Max Sterling]

One of my friends that got the Pfizer vaccine in January just tested positive for COVID. She has no symptoms but it doesn’t bode well for the recent Pfizer announcement that the vaccine should combat covid for up to 6 months. Different folks and all that but not the most reassuring news.

It's not about not getting the virus, it's about controlling the symptoms so you don't spend time in the hospital. No symptoms, sounds like it's working to me.

 

[mdmost]

Sadly, she's in that 5% that it's not been effective for.

 

[Melt Face Molly Drop]

It's not about not getting the virus, it's about controlling the symptoms so you don't spend time in the hospital. No symptoms, sounds like it's working to me.

That’s part of it, but the vaccine is designed to teach the immune system to beat the virus before one can even get to the stage of positivity. Sounds like it just did not take as anticipated for her. A positive test still means she’s infected and no symptoms is not synonymous with no long term health effects as we’ve seen with others.

She’s in the medical field and seemed perturbed enough about it, so I don’t think we should take a cavalier approach re: no symptoms = in the clear.

 

[nolalady]

That’s part of it, but the vaccine is designed to teach the immune system to beat the virus before one can even get to the stage of positivity. Sounds like it just did not take as anticipated for her. A positive test still means she’s infected and no symptoms is not synonymous with no long term health effects as we’ve seen with others.

She’s in the medical field and seemed perturbed enough about it, so I don’t think we should take a cavalier approach re: no symptoms = in the clear.

There was some evidence that viral load could be part of this. When I worked in HIV, we focused on making sure the viral load of HIV was down in the body because when it's down, it's harder to spread HIV. I read a paper that suggested that covid might work this way as well. It could be that viral load, namely when someone shows symptoms = higher viral load vs. no shown symptoms = lower viral load, might also affect virulence. Those showing symptoms with a higher viral load could spread covid better than an asymptomatic person with a lower viral load. I haven't read anything more about them looking into viral loads though, which is a shame because this research looked well thought out.

 

[Max Sterling]

That’s part of it, but the vaccine is designed to teach the immune system to beat the virus before one can even get to the stage of positivity. Sounds like it just did not take as anticipated for her. A positive test still means she’s infected and no symptoms is not synonymous with no long term health effects as we’ve seen with others.

She’s in the medical field and seemed perturbed enough about it, so I don’t think we should take a cavalier approach re: no symptoms = in the clear.

Sorry, didn't mean to come off cavalier. I was just told from the get go that getting the vaccine makes you less likely to contract it, sure, but more so less likely to have serious symptoms if you do contract it. I mean it's been hammered into me that I can still carry COVID while vaccinated, so continuing to be careful and wear a mask is important around those who are not vaccinated for their safety. I guess that's why someone testing positive, which is always going to be a thing, but showing no symptoms, which keeps them out of the hospital, seems like a positive thing and not cause to worry.

It is true we don't know the long term consequences of contracting COVID, but I fully expect it'll continue to run through all of us after we've all been vaccinated, just at a much less serious cost, hopefully.

 

[Melt Face Molly Drop]

Sorry, didn't mean to come off cavalier. I was just told from the get go that getting the vaccine makes you less likely to contract it, sure, but more so less likely to have serious symptoms if you do contract it. I mean it's been hammered into me that I can still carry COVID while vaccinated, so continuing to be careful and wear a mask is important around those who are not vaccinated for their safety. I guess that's why someone testing positive, which is always going to be a thing, but showing no symptoms, which keeps them out of the hospital, seems like a positive thing and not cause to worry.

It is true we don't know the long term consequences of contracting COVID, but I fully expect it'll continue to run through all of us after we've all been vaccinated, just at a much less serious cost, hopefully.

Definitely agree. I think it was a failure on the part of the media outlets when they blasted the headline that you could still get covid after getting the vaccine. So many anti vaxxers grabbed that as if it was related to poor efficacy of this vaccine, when it reality it’s every vaccine. This one just has heightened visibility. I guess time will tell if we have to get this yearly, but the future looks bleak in that regard.

 

[RenegadeMonster]

Spring schedules are out and go into effect for Boston area publican transportation later this month.

Instead of seeing service restored to pre-pandemic levels or at least rebound now that we have a vaccine and more people will start returning to work we are saying additional service cuts due to budget problems.

Weekend service taking additional hits. A couple more trains taken out of the frequency for Commuter Rail. Still no return of express trains.

Inner City Subway which saw a 20% cut will be returning to 15% of pre-pandemic levels in terms of frequencies on weekdays only.

 

[Turbo]

Just to clarify the Pfizer & Moderna numbers - the initial 95-ish% numbers published related to the efficacy vs moderate and severe disease, not vs all forms (contrary to J&J and AZ, which published efficacy vs wider forms of disease). Confusing, I know, but that's what it was.

The CDC recently published real-world data for all forms of diseases (they did weekly PCR tests on people in the trial to detect asymptomatic infections) with Pfizer & Moderna, and that efficacy is 80%.

Taken together, out of 20 people, in a mostly non-vaccinated population, you'd expect on average 16 to be fully protected against all forms , 3 to be susceptible to mild (possibly asymptomatic forms) and 1 to be susceptible to a get a moderate to severe form (but not be hospitalized or killed). All this may be caused by different factors including the viral load people are exposed to and not just the individual immune systems.

Those numbers would be expected to improve with herd immunity.

 

[Skeletonframes]

My girlfriend just got her first shot. So relieved, because she's a smoker and a bartender at a busy restaurant. Why she had to wait for it to open up to everyone, I have no idea, but I'm just happy she got it. After she gets her second, we are driving down to Alabama to stay with some friends in Mobile Bay and it is going to feel like we're going to fucking Disney World!!! I mean, they have a heated pool and a pontoon boat, so it'll be just as good as adult Disney World to us. I gotta say, I'm excited for this boring-ass long drive, just to be out of the apartment!

We are a little a worried about mask policies down there. I hear Alabama is surprisingly conscientious when it comes to mask safety, but we'll see. We shouldn't really be leaving the house except to get groceries or gas up the boat, anyway. We will both be vaccinated, but I still worry about spreading it to people.

 

[Turbo]

With all the shit show surrounding the Astra-Zeneca vaccine, about a week ago Health Canada restricted its use to people above 55. The calculation is that the risk-benefit tilts in favor of the vaccine at that age.

They've been trying to figure out how to distribute now that we received millions of doses of it. They want to give people an informed choice.

In my province, the initial solution was to open walk-in vaccination sites for people above 55. Started today.

Well, in all sites across the province people lined up in the wee hours to receive their time tickets. It looks like a 2000's iPhone launch (well other than the masks and the huge gaps between people in the lines)!

This is such good news. So happy that there are thousands out there that understand risk-reward concepts!