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Djxfactor511 said:
Many places pausing the use of the J&J vaccine because of the rare clotting side effect.

I think the risks of dying of covid would outweigh such a rare side effect, but sure, let's institutionally erode faith in the vaccines even more.
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Surely we'd never allow any medicine with such a potential side effect to stay on the market, no matter how small.

Oh what? Birth control pills exist? Weeeeiiird.
 
GritNGlitter said:
Surely we'd never allow any medicine with such a potential side effect to stay on the market, no matter how small.

Oh what? Birth control pills exist? Weeeeiiird.
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Thinks about all the medications advertised on TV with liver failure, etc., as a potential side effect. Or the potential side effects of the basic flu vaccine

It’s like people forget we live with and do things that have more risk than some of these things every day.
 
To be fair risk tolerance with medicines depends on its purpose. You can tolerate more risk if the medicine is to be used to treat someone with terminal cancer, for example. With vaccines, very little risk is normally tolerated because they are administered to healthy people. That said, we are in a pandemic, so the risk tolerance threshold with those vaccines is much lower than it would usually be (hence why many countries are still using AZ but adding age restrictions where they calculate that risk of COVID complications outweigh the risk of side-effects). Plus you have to consider that we have the mRNA vaccines which don't have this issue. Availability of those in each country comes into the equation for the various regulatory agencies too.

And with all that said, acetominophen is still an over the counter drug even though it's incredibly dangerous.
 
GritNGlitter said:
Surely we'd never allow any medicine with such a potential side effect to stay on the market, no matter how small.

Oh what? Birth control pills exist? Weeeeiiird.
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mcherry said:
Thinks about all the medications advertised on TV with liver failure, etc., as a potential side effect. Or the potential side effects of the basic flu vaccine

It’s like people forget we live with and do things that have more risk than some of these things every day.
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Turbo said:
To be fair risk tolerance with medicines depends on its purpose. You can tolerate more risk if the medicine is to be used to treat someone with terminal cancer, for example. With vaccines, very little risk is normally tolerated because they are administered to healthy people. That said, we are in a pandemic, so the risk tolerance threshold with those vaccines is much lower than it would usually be (hence why many countries are still using AZ but adding age restrictions where they calculate that risk of COVID complications outweigh the risk of side-effects). Plus you have to consider that we have the mRNA vaccines which don't have this issue. Availability of those in each country comes into the equation for the various regulatory agencies too.

And with all that said, acetominophen is still an over the counter drug even though it's incredibly dangerous.
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We put healthy women on birth control all the time.

Research published in The Lancet found that oral contraceptives tripled the risk of blood clots, a risk which only further increased with obesity and a family history of blood clots.

According to UN figures from 2019, 842 million people use hormonal contraceptives. When it comes to hormonal methods of birth control, especially those that use estrogen, the person taking these pills is at a higher risk of blood clots.
www.openaccessgovernment.org

Birth control creates higher risk of blood clots than AstraZeneca vaccine

Several countries are suspending use of AstraZeneca due to reports of blood clots - people are highlighting the risk of blood clots posed by contraceptives
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A coworker that I work with (closely on some days) tested positive for Covid today. I haven't been around him since last Thursday, which is the day I left early to get my second shot, but he was in the building on Monday. He's an anti-mask anti-vax guy, so I'm not surprised, but I'll try to save my commentary on that until I know he's ok.
I'd like to think I'm ok based on having both shots, even though I know it takes two weeks past the second one to get me to the 90% protected.
My company isn't closing, they feel the people with at least one shot are ok to come in to work. I really don't know what to do though, this is my first exposure....even though I can't say exactly how exposed I was.

Sorry if that's a bit rambly, I'm barely thinking as I'm typing...
 
ranbalam said:
A coworker that I work with (closely on some days) tested positive for Covid today. I haven't been around him since last Thursday, which is the day I left early to get my second shot, but he was in the building on Monday. He's an anti-mask anti-vax guy, so I'm not surprised, but I'll try to save my commentary on that until I know he's ok.
I'd like to think I'm ok based on having both shots, even though I know it takes two weeks past the second one to get me to the 90% protected.
My company isn't closing, they feel the people with at least one shot are ok to come in to work. I really don't know what to do though, this is my first exposure....even though I can't say exactly how exposed I was.

Sorry if that's a bit rambly, I'm barely thinking as I'm typing...
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Get tested regardless.
 
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