Neverending Covid-19 Coronavirus

[Turbo]

Wife and I just got exposure notifications on our phones today. Been nearly two weeks since the exposure, according to the app, and neither of us have symptoms, but I guess we should get tested.

My 2 cents are that either you're uninfected or you both have asymptomatic infections coming to their end. I wouldn't worry about it unless there's people in your entourage you want to protect that are unvaccinated. But honestly, it's probably too late in that case.

My money would be on you being uninfected (from that particular contact).

 

[RenegadeMonster]

This is why my father says you can't place your trust in the vaccine.

 

[LeSamourai]

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This is why my father says you can't place your trust in the vaccine.

Regulatory capture is a real problem in many industries (including biotech, but also in finance and other fields), but it's also kind of hard to avoid in the current system. How do you get people with enough knowledge and experience in a field to be able to effectively regulate it without them either coming from or returning to it?

 

[Turbo]

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This is why my father says you can't place your trust in the vaccine.

CEO board members do not make regulatory approvals - there is no conflict of interest. If they had gone the other way (pharmaceutical to FDA), then they would have to recuse themselves if they were actually part of a decision making body. But those cited FDA positions about "regulating" specific companies seem misleading and simplistic. What were their actual roles in the FDA? Regulatory approvals or something more managerial?

There is no conflict of interest going from a news organization to a private company either. Again, if it had happened the other way, then disclosure and possible recusing depending on the story being reported (but he's not a journalist nor an editor).

 

[RenegadeMonster]

meanwhile in Texas…

 

[nolalady]

The bus driver came to pick my kids up and she said that we were basically the only family that she picked up today. She said that people are protesting vaccine mandates and keeping their kids home from school. She told us that she hit 7 houses before us and none of them are sending their kids to school.

I had to look this up, because I had no idea--ah, what you miss when you don't engage in FB. And I found this article:

On Monday, Oct. 18, parents and teachers in California who oppose a vaccine mandate for students and teachers are planning a sit-out.

Throughout the week, posters have been circulating on social media notifying the public of the Statewide sit-out. Those who support the movement are asked not to call their child out as sick, but to state, they oppose the vaccine mandate.

Californian Statewide School Sit-Out Planned for Oct. 18

On Monday, Oct. 18, parents and teachers in California who oppose a vaccine mandate for students and teachers are planning a sit-out.

atascaderonews.com

So yeah, how's your Monday?

 

[Djxfactor511]

 

[dbarila]

Great. More fuel for the anti-vax idiots.

 

[ranbalam]

The bus driver came to pick my kids up and she said that we were basically the only family that she picked up today. She said that people are protesting vaccine mandates and keeping their kids home from school. She told us that she hit 7 houses before us and none of them are sending their kids to school.

I had to look this up, because I had no idea--ah, what you miss when you don't engage in FB. And I found this article:

On Monday, Oct. 18, parents and teachers in California who oppose a vaccine mandate for students and teachers are planning a sit-out.

Throughout the week, posters have been circulating on social media notifying the public of the Statewide sit-out. Those who support the movement are asked not to call their child out as sick, but to state, they oppose the vaccine mandate.

Californian Statewide School Sit-Out Planned for Oct. 18

On Monday, Oct. 18, parents and teachers in California who oppose a vaccine mandate for students and teachers are planning a sit-out.

atascaderonews.com

So yeah, how's your Monday?

Meanwhile, my wife texted me this morning and said that her hospital is close to maxed out on Covid patients and they are using other floors and areas that are normally for other patients. Pretty much like what they went through in 2020. Lots of people on ventilators, and none of the people on the vents are vaccinated.

This country is SO broken.

 

[dhodo]

The bus driver came to pick my kids up and she said that we were basically the only family that she picked up today. She said that people are protesting vaccine mandates and keeping their kids home from school. She told us that she hit 7 houses before us and none of them are sending their kids to school.

I had to look this up, because I had no idea--ah, what you miss when you don't engage in FB. And I found this article:

On Monday, Oct. 18, parents and teachers in California who oppose a vaccine mandate for students and teachers are planning a sit-out.

Throughout the week, posters have been circulating on social media notifying the public of the Statewide sit-out. Those who support the movement are asked not to call their child out as sick, but to state, they oppose the vaccine mandate.

Californian Statewide School Sit-Out Planned for Oct. 18

On Monday, Oct. 18, parents and teachers in California who oppose a vaccine mandate for students and teachers are planning a sit-out.

atascaderonews.com

So yeah, how's your Monday?

Teachers protesting is one thing, but keeping kids out is just a nice break for the teachers who do show up.

 

[oldschoolkirby]

Our county issued a new indoor mask mandate last week, effective this Wednesday, due to hospitals nearing capacity. Cue the chatter on Nextdoor mocking it… “If Covid is so bad, why wait until Wednesday?” “If masks are so effective, why wait until Wednesday?”

 

[bother]

The bus driver came to pick my kids up and she said that we were basically the only family that she picked up today. She said that people are protesting vaccine mandates and keeping their kids home from school. She told us that she hit 7 houses before us and none of them are sending their kids to school.

I had to look this up, because I had no idea--ah, what you miss when you don't engage in FB. And I found this article:

On Monday, Oct. 18, parents and teachers in California who oppose a vaccine mandate for students and teachers are planning a sit-out.

Throughout the week, posters have been circulating on social media notifying the public of the Statewide sit-out. Those who support the movement are asked not to call their child out as sick, but to state, they oppose the vaccine mandate.

Californian Statewide School Sit-Out Planned for Oct. 18

On Monday, Oct. 18, parents and teachers in California who oppose a vaccine mandate for students and teachers are planning a sit-out.

atascaderonews.com

So yeah, how's your Monday?

This seems to be the rallying cry for conservatives right now. I'm seeing a lot of political stuff along the lines of "Parents over School Boards" or something like that. Makes me nervous-- it's very compelling and emotional without any of that annoying nuance. I have a feeling a lot of people are going to buy into it.

 

[ranbalam]

I have had I think around 30 friends and coworkers that have had Covid. Thankfully only one has died, and three others were hospitalized for various amounts of time. One of them is a long hauler who got it in March of 2020 and fears she'll never be normal again. Another one got it twice and says his lungs hurt when breathing in cold air.

But many I know that have had it are my coworkers, and came back with the stance of "it's NO big deal. I really don't see what the hoopla is. Glorified cold. Flu with a fancy name."

It's very hard to argue with these folks, who by the way are anti-vax. "Just being tired for a few days" proves to them and lots of others who will listen that it truly is better to just 'get it and get it over-with.' So I don't argue anymore. I can't. And I think that's where we are in the bigger picture. This thing is going to run through all of us, the body count will get higher because sides are chosen.

Serious question though: Do we know if studies show the antibodies are better than the vaccine? Or that if we all get one or the other, this will go away?

 

[nolalady]

Serious question though: Do we know if studies show the antibodies are better than the vaccine? Or that if we all get one or the other, this will go away?

So what I have read indicates that we don't really know.

For instance:
The natural immune protection that develops after a SARS-CoV-2 infection offers considerably more of a shield against the Delta variant of the pandemic coronavirus than two doses of the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine, according to a large Israeli study that some scientists wish came with a “Don’t try this at home” label. The newly released data show people who once had a SARS-CoV-2 infection were much less likely than never-infected, vaccinated people to get Delta, develop symptoms from it, or become hospitalized with serious COVID-19.

AAAS

www.science.org

And:
In today’s MMWR, a study of COVID-19 infections in Kentucky among people who were previously infected with SAR-CoV-2 shows that unvaccinated individuals are more than twice as likely to be reinfected with COVID-19 than those who were fully vaccinated after initially contracting the virus. These data further indicate that COVID-19 vaccines offer better protection than natural immunity alone and that vaccines, even after prior infection, help prevent reinfections.

Coronavirus Disease 2019

CDC provides credible COVID-19 health information to the U.S.

www.cdc.gov

I've come across several studies that have found conflicting information--which to me indicates that

Most virologists think that the way out of this is for Covid-19 to become endemic and more benign--basically, the virus has to become a lot less deadly for us. But because the only pandemics we have had in recent times have been flu pandemics, we aren't really sure what the timeline for a SARS virus to become endemic.

Experience from the last four pandemics — the ones mentioned above — would suggest that viruses morph from pandemic pathogens to endemic sources of disease within a year and a half or two of emerging. But all of those pandemics were influenza pandemics. A different pathogen could mean we’ll see a different pattern.

How the Covid pandemic ends: Scientists look to the past to see the future

How will the Covid-19 pandemic end, and when? For answers, look to the past.

www.statnews.com

 

[LeSamourai]

I have had I think around 30 friends and coworkers that have had Covid. Thankfully only one has died, and three others were hospitalized for various amounts of time. One of them is a long hauler who got it in March of 2020 and fears she'll never be normal again. Another one got it twice and says his lungs hurt when breathing in cold air.

But many I know that have had it are my coworkers, and came back with the stance of "it's NO big deal. I really don't see what the hoopla is. Glorified cold. Flu with a fancy name."

It's very hard to argue with these folks, who by the way are anti-vax. "Just being tired for a few days" proves to them and lots of others who will listen that it truly is better to just 'get it and get it over-with.' So I don't argue anymore. I can't. And I think that's where we are in the bigger picture. This thing is going to run through all of us, the body count will get higher because sides are chosen.

Serious question though: Do we know if studies show the antibodies are better than the vaccine? Or that if we all get one or the other, this will go away?

I think the problem with the whole "what doesn't kill you makes you stronger" idea that your coworkers seem to be espousing is that a serious viral infection (or other serious illness or injury) isn't like going hard at the gym, it's like getting hit by a car. A lot of people end up with a weakened immune system for months to years following a major illness, leaving them more susceptible to death from flu or some other infection, or just more likely to get smaller sicknesses. That's why flu vaccines help prevent secondary pneumonia in people who would have been weakened by the flu, or how the measles vaccine helped prevent deaths in other illnesses in children, because it turns out that kids who get measles are more likely to get seriously ill from something else in the following year. (Article with some sources)

I say this as someone who got viral pericarditis 3 years ago, and the recovery process to semi-normal took months, and I'm still not fully where I was before I got sick. If I could have been vaccinated for that virus (it was probably Epstein-Barr, the one that causes mono), I would have gladly taken feeling bad for a day from the vaccination instead of what I got- a couple of multi-day hospital visits and months of being too weak to walk a mile. Recovery has been a looooooong road.

 

[nolalady]

So the update is that all the teachers for my kids were there and most of the kids were too. I'm glad that the kids on the bus were not indicative of how many people showed up today. My daughter was somewhat affected because she had to go into another classroom in the morning while her teacher went to another classroom. But she was back for the afternoon.

 

[NateOEB]

I think the problem with the whole "what doesn't kill you makes you stronger" idea that your coworkers seem to be espousing is that a serious viral infection (or other serious illness or injury) isn't like going hard at the gym, it's like getting hit by a car. A lot of people end up with a weakened immune system for months to years following a major illness, leaving them more susceptible to death from flu or some other infection, or just more likely to get smaller sicknesses. That's why flu vaccines help prevent secondary pneumonia in people who would have been weakened by the flu, or how the measles vaccine helped prevent deaths in other illnesses in children, because it turns out that kids who get measles are more likely to get seriously ill from something else in the following year. (Article with some sources)

I say this as someone who got viral pericarditis 3 years ago, and the recovery process to semi-normal took months, and I'm still not fully where I was before I got sick. If I could have been vaccinated for that virus (it was probably Epstein-Barr, the one that causes mono), I would have gladly taken feeling bad for a day from the vaccination instead of what I got- a couple of multi-day hospital visits and months of being too weak to walk a mile. Recovery has been a looooooong road.

“In my experience, that which does not kill you makes you WEAKER, (and will probably kill you the next time it shows up)” - Norm MacDonald

 

[ranbalam]

I think the problem with the whole "what doesn't kill you makes you stronger" idea that your coworkers seem to be espousing is that a serious viral infection (or other serious illness or injury) isn't like going hard at the gym, it's like getting hit by a car. A lot of people end up with a weakened immune system for months to years following a major illness, leaving them more susceptible to death from flu or some other infection, or just more likely to get smaller sicknesses. That's why flu vaccines help prevent secondary pneumonia in people who would have been weakened by the flu, or how the measles vaccine helped prevent deaths in other illnesses in children, because it turns out that kids who get measles are more likely to get seriously ill from something else in the following year. (Article with some sources)

I say this as someone who got viral pericarditis 3 years ago, and the recovery process to semi-normal took months, and I'm still not fully where I was before I got sick. If I could have been vaccinated for that virus (it was probably Epstein-Barr, the one that causes mono), I would have gladly taken feeling bad for a day from the vaccination instead of what I got- a couple of multi-day hospital visits and months of being too weak to walk a mile. Recovery has been a looooooong road.

Wow, thanks for sharing your story. I hope you continue to recover...sorry it's been so rough.

I agree with what you're saying here too. My coworkers in their 30s who get it are so cavalier about it being nothing, but they don't actually know what the future holds for them. My long-hauler friend can attest to that. And there's such irony that they won't get the vaccine because they don't know the long term effects but are willing to get Covid instead.

@nolalady - thanks as always for providing some resources for me to read through.

 

[RenegadeMonster]

Miami private school makes bogus claims about vaccines while ordering pupils who get a shot to stay home for 30 days

A Miami private school, which previously asked teachers not to get the Covid-19 vaccine or they wouldn't be allowed to return this school year, has now asked parents to keep their children home for 30 days if their child has received a vaccine dose, citing false and disproved claims about the...

www.cnn.com

Miami private school to require students getting COVID vaccine to stay home for 30 days after each dose - WSVN 7News | Miami News, Weather, Sports | Fort Lauderdale

MIAMI (WSVN) - A Miami school that made headlines for saying it would penalize teachers who got the COVID-19 vaccine is now requiring students who<a class="excerpt-read-more"...

wsvn.com

 

[dbarila]

Miami private school makes bogus claims about vaccines while ordering pupils who get a shot to stay home for 30 days

A Miami private school, which previously asked teachers not to get the Covid-19 vaccine or they wouldn't be allowed to return this school year, has now asked parents to keep their children home for 30 days if their child has received a vaccine dose, citing false and disproved claims about the...

www.cnn.com

Miami private school to require students getting COVID vaccine to stay home for 30 days after each dose - WSVN 7News | Miami News, Weather, Sports | Fort Lauderdale

MIAMI (WSVN) - A Miami school that made headlines for saying it would penalize teachers who got the COVID-19 vaccine is now requiring students who<a class="excerpt-read-more"...

wsvn.com

This sounds like a fine institution of education.