Dtknuckles
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So you have set boundaries and he ignores them? Well you can block him. It doesn’t have to permanent, but if he bothers you that much it may be worth it.
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So you have set boundaries and he ignores them? Well you can block him. It doesn’t have to permanent, but if he bothers you that much it may be worth it.
Dtknuckles
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I wanted Bernie also, but I wouldn’t be so negative. His message reached more people than it did last time. Change takes time. It takes constant organizing and pressure. Someone will have to take the mantle though he’s getting old.
TenderLovingKiller®
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I must be in my liberal Western Washington bubble. I really thought Sanders would win the state. Seems unlikely based on the initial numbers.
Trump is sat back and sparking a big cigar after these results.
Ed Selley
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As someone who has worked from home for nearly a decade, I am available for advice on how to get through the wanking phase.
Jan
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Actually i think a strong Bernie Comeback this tuesday would have played more into Trumps Card. ´The longer and more vicious the fight for the dem candidate the better for him. Now Bidens Nomination is pretty clear and all Bernie can Archive is to bargain some prodgressive policies into Bidens platform. And i have the Feeling that the progressive attacks on Biden are going to be softer now that he is the potiental candidate you gave to Rally behind if you want to beat trump
Obviously these vote percentages don't add up to 100%. Where did the other votes go?
MikeH
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FTFY
Ed Selley
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Spoiled, illegible etc.
MikeH
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They likely went to early voting where people voted for people no longer in the race, or write ins or absentee. Not 100% sure if Michigan has early voting in the primaries...
Btsvinylfarm
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Michigan turnout surpassed 2016's primary by a wide margin, and Biden improved on HRC's result by ~250K votes. Considering Trump won MI by just a shade over 10K votes, I'm not too sure this is great news for him. This seems like bitter Bernie Bro talk than anything else.
TenderLovingKiller®
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Yeah, I saw that Tulsi actually finished no better than 5th in any of the states voting yesterday. Just because a candidate drops out doesn’t mean their name is removed from the ballot.
TenderLovingKiller®
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I agree with everything but the last line. People are entitled to be bummed when their candidate underperforms. The goal now is to get everyone on board for the general.
regarding the rest of your post, me and SO we’re really amazed last night at just how bad of a Candidate Hillary appears to have been, makes me wonder if she would have even won the nomination in 2016 had Biden thrown his hat in the ring then. I think I have a hard time wrapping my head around how reviled Hillary had become with a good portion of the electorate.
MikeH
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It's sort of proving the whole "Americans won't elect a female president" narrative. Hillary was one of the most qualified candidates ever and the majority of people I know were reluctant to vote for her because she wasn't "likable". Biden is an establishment candidate like Hillary was and is somehow getting all of these votes now. I'm still somewhat surprised at how many endorsements he has gotten from the people who continually shat on him during the debates.
I’m hoping the Dems will have a much better showing without HRC in the picture this time around. I just hope she’s not Biden’s running mate. She needs to stay far away for the good of the party.
Edit: This isn’t anti female. It’s anti HRC.
She was a horrible candidate, and I voted for her. Lesser of the two evils. The Democratic Party thought the Clinton name would be enough. Clintons aren’t Kennedys and Hillary isn’t Bill.
Enaz Fox
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I resonate with this. I'll end up voting for Biden like I did for Hillary/Obama but I'm going to have a hard time doing so and I think his nomination will further fill the divide between the youth and the DNC (Bloomberg would have been more difficult for me). I don't want a return to the time before Trump which is what I feel his entire pitch is; I'd much prefer us to continue moving forward. My three biggest issues, two of which are just smaller parts of much larger problems, in this election were the healthcare system, student debt/debt crisis and medical marijuana/the drug war. I don't agree with Joe's plans on a single one of those issues but I do think he is more fit to be our president than Trump. I hope at some point in my life I will be able to vote in a primary where there's a candidate my views align with. Bring on November.
I have no skin in the game, you can elect who you want. I've always thought out of all the early front runners that Biden is worst choice to try and beat trump. My prediction is that Trump increases his margin of victory at the next election.
The wild card in all of this is the covid 19 virus.
“Likeable” actually is important here. When Americans are comfortable and happy, they spend money and the economic machine chugs along. When they aren’t happy, consumer confidence drops and the economy suffers.
Bill Clinton is a people person and it shows. The economy was good. People were happy. When Bush took over, one of the first things he did was a tax cut, as the economy had faltered somewhat. I took it as Bush trying to buy support from us.
Hillary doesn’t have the people skills necessary, IMO. The ability to do the job isn’t everything.
Btsvinylfarm
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People are definitely entitled to be bummed. But this whole defeatist attitude, and take-my-ball-and-go-home mentality, is counterproductive.
To the bold: what youth? This myth that they vote in large enough numbers to matter is unfounded. That sucks, but it's true. Until they bother to engage, they can't be counted on as a core demographic. The calculus makes courting them a fools errand.
To the rest, you can't just "move forward" now. We have to repair the damage. We need to restore the ACA. We need to reinstitute some of the scrapped regulation. We need to build on the House majority and win back the Senate before we can pass any meaningful legislation.
And on healthcare, while I agree with the end goal of a universal coverage system, Bernie's plan to get there is simply unworkable and dangerous to progressive success in government. There's a lesson the Bernie crowd and m4A hardliners need to learn from ACA/Obamacare.
People freaked out when the ACA scrapped some junk healthcare plans. 1.1M are estimated to have been impacted. It caused one of the largest red waves in modern political history. The Dems lost the House, their super majority in the Senate, and eventually the Senate itself. It caused a stall of economic recovery legislation, and it likely cost the Dems a seat on SCOTUS by giving the gavel to McConnell. What do you think would happen if suddenly the Dems yanked 159M off their actually good coverage? The magnitude versus ACA is just insane. What do you think the outcome would be?
Progressive ideals are admirable, but you guys have no sound path to get there right now. You gotta think about this shit. It's why I preferred Pete's plan of "Medicare for all who want it", which is essentially a public option - I'd hope Biden adopts this. Let the public option compete with private care, and if it is as great as the left hopes, it will win the battle and through market competition eliminate private plans. But suddenly stripping 150M people's coverage would be a disaster.