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Lee Newman said:
I mean we’ve been witnessing that for four years.
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The most amazing thing to me is that this was an opportunity for him to actually secure his re-election by just following the advice of the various expert scientific advisers.

We have our lot of populist premiers in Canada. Doug Ford in Ontario, for example, is pretty much a Trump-light and his popularity ratings here were in the tank. So bad they they moth-balled him during the federal elections so he wouldn't harm the federal conservatives.

But he's doing a pretty good job through this by following proper advice and I'm sure he's resurrecting his political career.

This was an opportunity for Trump to look like a hero across the aisle and he botched it so badly. It's mind boggling. Though as you say, not surprising given what he's shown the last few years.
 
Turbo said:
The most amazing thing to me is that this was an opportunity for him to actually secure his re-election by just following the advice of the various expert scientific advisers.

We have our lot of populist premiers in Canada. Doug Ford in Ontario, for example, is pretty much a Trump-light and his popularity ratings here were in the tank. So bad they they moth-balled him during the federal elections so he wouldn't harm the federal conservatives.

But he's doing a pretty good job through this by following proper advice and I'm sure he's resurrecting his political career.

This was an opportunity for Trump to look like a hero across the aisle and he botched it so badly. It's mind boggling. Though as you say, not surprising given what he's shown the last few years.
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He doesn't care . All he has done his whole life is fight with paper tigers.
 
RenegadeMonster said:
Texas governor says "In times such as these, you always have experts who believe they know best for everybody, You have some folks who think that government ought to take over everything in times of crisis — that they, as government officials, know better than individual citizens."
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That's rich coming from the same state government trying to opportunistically ban abortions during the crisis.
 
dhodo said:
That's rich coming from the same state government trying to opportunistically ban abortions during the crisis.
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According to that article Texas has also been the most aggressive state when it comes to passing preemptive laws. Any ordinance blue cities pass they have been passing state laws to preempt them stating the laws should be uniform across the state. Yet, here we are with this crisis and it's suddenly okay for the blue cities to do their own thing, and these restrictions should not apply to the whole state. Let the local authorities have control. Texas has only been taking local authorities abilities away.

The most common of such preemptive laws have to do with minimum wage, sick leave, LGBT rights and gun control.

It really irks me that cities in red states that have higher cost of living compared to the rest of the state by more than double can't have a higher minimum wage. Republican state leaders can't have that.
 
RenegadeMonster said:
According to that article Texas has also been the most aggressive state when it comes to passing preemptive laws. Any ordinance blue cities pass they have been passing state laws to preempt them stating the laws should be uniform across the state. Yet, here we are with this crisis and it's suddenly okay for the blue cities to do their own thing, and these restrictions should not apply to the whole state. Let the local authorities have control. Texas has only been taking local authorities abilities away.

The most common of such preemptive laws have to do with minimum wage, sick leave, LGBT rights and gun control.

It really irks me that cities in red states that have higher cost of living compared to the rest of the state by more than double can't have a higher minimum wage. Republican state leaders can't have that.
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Yeah, I've been seeing some of that here too. Our three closest beaches all closed during the day, but the state attorney general said that only the governor can do that and have it stand up in court, so one of them folded and opened up for the weekend. Of course it was crowded. The other two stuck to their guns.

Yesterday he totally backpedalled and said that they won't be pursuing litigation against local governments and the Governor ordered all beaches closed. So that was good, but why did they have to screw it up for the weekend?
 
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Touting Virus Cure, 'Simple Country Doctor' Becomes a Right-Wing Star

Last month, residents of Kiryas Joel, a New York village of 35,000 Hasidic Jews roughly an hour's drive from Manhattan, began hearing about a promising treatment for the coronavirus that had been rippling through their community.The source was Dr. Vladimir Zelenko, 46, a mild-mannered family doctor
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What happened next is a modern pandemic parable that illustrates how the coronavirus is colliding with our fragile information ecosystem: a jumble of facts, falsehoods and viral rumors patched together from Twitter threads and shards of online news, amplified by armchair experts and professional partisans and pumped through the warp-speed accelerator of social media.

Zelenko’s treatment arrived at a useful moment for Trump and his media supporters, who have at times appeared more interested in discussing miracle cures than testing delays or ventilator shortages.
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Navy Sacks Carrier Captain, Pulls Another Carrier Off Station Over COVID-19 Concerns (Updated)

The Navy says the officer misrepresented the facts and should have taken better precautions to ensure the detailed letter did not leak to the press.
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The U.S. Navy has relieved Captain Brett Crozier, the commanding officer of the Nimitz class aircraft carrier USS Theodore Roosevelt, which is presently in Guam amid a major outbreak of the COVID-19 novel coronavirus among its crew. Crozier wrote a damning letter to his superiors over the response to the outbreak, pleading to get the bulk of the sailors off the ship to avoid "tragic outcomes." The Acting Secretary of the Navy says the officer did not take adequate precautions to prevent the letter, which it also says included overly detailed information about his ship's readiness, from leaking to the press.
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The Captain's request was denied by the Navy to allow sick sailors to leave the ship for treatment. Instead they were told to quarantine in place. The Captain said they do not have the infrastructure on the ship to allow for quarantining in place, especially for how many people are ill. Once again he was denied saying the ship must remain operational in case of need.

It sounds like someone on the crew leaked what was going on on the ship to the Media. And because of that, the Captain has been relieved of his duties.
 
RenegadeMonster said:
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This country is such a fucking mess, it's going to be a miracle if we ever get back to any assemblance of normalcy. The divide keeps getting bigger with each new thing that "might" discredit the pampas narcissist sitting in the White House, and I can't help but feel we've become exactly what the rest of the world always thought we were............just sad and infuriating.
 
AnthonyI said:
This country is such a fucking mess, it's going to be a miracle if we ever get back to any assemblance of normalcy. The divide keeps getting bigger with each new thing that "might" discredit the pampas narcissist sitting in the White House, and I can't help but feel we've become exactly what the rest of the world always thought we were............just sad and infuriating.
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I’m coming around more and more to the idea that the rest of the world was right all along and this circumstance is just pulling the wool from our own eyes finally.
 
RenegadeMonster said:


www.thedrive.com

Navy Sacks Carrier Captain, Pulls Another Carrier Off Station Over COVID-19 Concerns (Updated)

The Navy says the officer misrepresented the facts and should have taken better precautions to ensure the detailed letter did not leak to the press.
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The Captain's request was denied by the Navy to allow sick sailors to leave the ship for treatment. Instead they were told to quarantine in place. The Captain said they do not have the infrastructure on the ship to allow for quarantining in place, especially for how many people are ill. Once again he was denied saying the ship must remain operational in case of need.

It sounds like someone on the crew leaked what was going on on the ship to the Media. And because of that, the Captain has been relieved of his duties.
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I heard this story on NPR this morning. Captain failed to follow the chain of command.
 
Turbo said:
How a populist premier in Canada is turning his image around. Yes, this is the brother of the crack-smoking and deceased former mayor of Toronto.

www.macleans.ca

Doug Ford's surprising turn - Macleans.ca

Max Fawcett: Before the coronavirus made its way into Canada, Ford was best known for leading a government that could best be described as dumpster-fire adjacent
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Yeah he’s getting re-elected for sure. It’s astoundingly simple: listen to experts, tell the truth, put people above money.
 
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