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Here is something you will find really maddening.





Essentially it was rigged in favor of larger business who take out larger loans because it's more profitable for the bank. They were given priority over small business. Loans were not handled in a first come first serve basis. Also explains why the money ran out so quick.
........and now this brilliant Government is asking for big companies to send the money back. I have to pinch myself and make sure I'm not dreaming every once in a while to make sure all of this isn't actually Baldwin as Trump on SNL.
 
We are in need of medicare for all more than ever now because of COVID-19

3 of the largest insurance companies are now lobbying for a government bail out. They are stating that without getting a bailout they would be forced to more than double people's rates next year to recover losses due to the COVID-19 pandemic. One of their talking points in seeking the bailout is health insurance could be come unaffordable for millions of Americans if the government does not take action.
 
Y'know, in all seriousness, I was thinking about something adjacent to this earlier today. For as much as we'd like to see an overhaul of the private insurance industry, I'm not insensitive to the fact that there are thousands upon thousands of people who would be out a job immediately if we find a way to implement M4A. An expanded Medicare infrastructure would probably find space for a lot of those people to find employment within the government, but not all, and I do think that element of the conversation gets buried a lot in the private vs. public insurance conversation: a lot of people will find themselves unemployed and suffering. It doesn't mean there's not a moral imperative to fix things, but I don't hear many solutions floated for the everyday claims adjusters and underwriters and admin workers and middle management and so on that populate those offices. What happens if all the incomes that depend on this industry are just disappeared overnight? How many people end up unhoused/bankrupt/unable to feed their kids? It'd be harder to feel sympathetic if those issues were limited to C-level executives, or if executives were likely to be impacted by those consequences at all, but it's harder to swallow that Jim from accounting and Sandra in reception and Mike in HR don't have careers anymore because their entire industry vanished in an extinction event. What happens to the facilities management and landscaping companies who lose those contracts? What happens to the office cafeteria workers who have no one to feed? What happens to the guys in IT who are running the company website? What happens to the coding/billing specialists at your local hospital who are experts at the intricacies of insurance? What happens to the people at MY company who help coordinate my benefits package with Anthem? I'm not suggesting that these are reasons not make big changes, but the ripple effect here isn't insignificant, and fixing healthcare but without hurting working folks in the process is a tough question.
Yeah but Mike is a jerk.

;)
 
Mike sucks, but his wife is an underpaid social worker, he has one kid in college, and his other kid has occupational therapy sessions 3 times a week!

I wonder if this isn't a great time to re-distribute wealth/work force/job opportunities/etc to other sectors that could use it. I'm thinking teaching, social services, mental health, infrastructure. Mike can be in HR at the new center for mental health. Sandra could be a receptionist at the new after school center. Jim could be the accountant at the construction company that is replacing all the falling apart bridges in the country.

I absolutely agree with you - people will lose jobs. But there is opportunity and need to create other jobs. This country just has to stop being so focused on MAKING ALL THE MONEY AND FORGET THE LITTLE PEOPLE!!
 
No. You need to eliminate profits from hospitals. Don’t let them charge $50 for an aspirin just because the government is paying the bill.

I’m a capitalist, but healthcare is infrastructure. Nationalize it. No profits allowed. This is just basic right and wrong.
I work for a hospital, the “$50” aspirin is a lot more complicated than the government is paying the bill. Because of EMTALA and other regulations, Hospitals work with a larger “shrinkage” than any other industry and it’s done in a way that affects their highest cost access center (the emergency room). Whether it’s Medicare for all or some other system, a single payer system eliminates the need for the “$50” aspirin, because the aspirin is paid for regardless of the patient.
 
Even in New York the governor is facing increasing political pressure to open things back up. Many local officials from parts of the state outside of the New York City area are urging for the state to reopen. They are facing immense political pressure in their communities to open things back up.

People are at the breaking point now where they can't take any more weeks of staying at home. Finances and job loss a side, people are growing very stir crazy and want to get back to normal.
 
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This is from the WSJ.

It makes it clear that the that the expanded unemployment benefits meant to keep people at home and safe is working.

Conservatives on the other hand, keep reposting this article angered that people are getting a free ride off their tax dollars and are saying we need to cut their benefits to get them back to work. Otherwise, they won't go back to work until August and the economy will reopen long before then.
 
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This is from the WSJ.

It makes it clear that the that the expanded unemployment benefits meant to keep people at home and safe is working.

Conservatives on the other hand, keep reposting this article angered that people are getting a free ride off their tax dollars and are saying we need to cut their benefits to get them back to work. Otherwise, they won't go back to work until August and the economy will reopen long before then.
I don't know, I think this is a problem because we have no real direction and there;'s a bunch of double speak, mixed messages and so on. If the person in charge would have just made a choice, across the board with the same timeline for everyone, we wouldn't be in this situation with unemployment and a bunch of other brewing issues.
 

Mitch McConnell said that "Blue States should not get a bail out". It's not the federal governments fault that blue states can't run their states properly. They should declare bankruptcy.
 

Mitch McConnell said that "Blue States should not get a bail out". It's not the federal governments fault that blue states can't run their states properly. They should declare bankruptcy.
Which is deliberate bullshit considering the blue states largely contribute more than they receive back from the government and red states, especially Kentucky, receive more than they contribute! Asinine.
 
I haven’t watch most of Donald’s nightly campaign rallies but I’ve been trying to find him offering any type of sincere condolences to all the people we’ve lost and can’t find anything. Has he said anything? Any help with a link?
 
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