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I shared a that news report about Texas Police refusing to enforce the mandatory wear a mask order in Houston since my father is retired law enforcement.

He stands right behind the police saying that States, Counties and Cities do not have the constitutional authority mandate such laws. The laws are draconian and the local authorities are exercising powers they do not have.

He linked me a from the hill stating the AG William Bar will reexamine 'draconian' measures put in place by States, Counties and Cities by May. If states do not reopen and resemble normalcy soon Barr will take legal measures to force their hand.

My father also expects that the Supreme Court may get involved and may be the deciding when blue states open back up.
 
RenegadeMonster said:
I shared a that news report about Texas Police refusing to enforce the mandatory wear a mask order in Houston since my father is retired law enforcement.

He stands right behind the police saying that States, Counties and Cities do not have the constitutional authority mandate such laws. The laws are draconian and the local authorities are exercising powers they do not have.

He linked me a from the hill stating the AG William Bar will reexamine 'draconian' measures put in place by States, Counties and Cities by May. If states do not reopen and resemble normalcy soon Barr will take legal measures to force their hand.

My father also expects that the Supreme Court may get involved and may be the deciding when blue states open back up.
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Coming from someone who grew up and has lived in the south all my life, hearing the same kind of people who's rallying cry behind the confederate flag is "states' rights" sitting there saying that states don't have power and that they can't wait for the feds to take it away from them is fucking wild.

Edit: I mean, don't get me wrong, it isn't surprising. It's just crazy that they have completely abandoned their guise that "it's really about states rights" and exposed the truth that it's really just about doing whatever they want. Obviously if the shutdown was coming from the feds and the states wanted to open up, they'd feel the opposite way.
 
A federal lawsuit is going to trial today that will determine voting rights in Florida.

Previously in Florida, if you were ever convicted of a felony. The courts shot that law down and voting rights were restored with a constitutional amendment passed in November of 2018. However, that Amendment, which was created by GOP-led Florida legislator put a requirement in that all convicted felons must complete the terms of their sentence to be eligible to vote. This includes all legal fees, fines, restitution and financial obligations.

Sense the legal fees, fines and restitution can be quite extension, and my former felons coming from poverty, completing the terms of their sentence may take years to the rest of their life.

For most former felons, nothing has changed. They still can't vote.

The law has no real good purpose other than political agenda. Suppressing the vote of former felons, who almost entirely would vote blue, help ensures that the republicans stay in power.
 
from the shores of small Ireland, I'd like to present you with an article from the (very) liberal Fintan O'Toole, journalist of the Irish Times
www.irishtimes.com

Fintan O’Toole: Donald Trump has destroyed the country he promised to make great again

The world has loved, hated and envied the US. Now, for the first time, we pity it
www.irishtimes.com www.irishtimes.com

I hope it gives an idea on how the US situation looks viewed from afar, and outside of the usual american media players.

Edit: you should be able to read this article, as the first 3 article accessed should be available outside of the subscription
 
Trump spend the day yesterday attacking Biden on Twitter.

Retweeing deep fakes like



And post about Jo Biden inflating the death reports related to COVID-19
 
Sighs, people suck. I feel personally attacked by this.

On another forum I posted a thread about the student debt crisis and how it has impacted me.

Someone just bumped the thread up and asked me "Did you use your stimulus payment to pay your student loans that you irresponsibly became delinquent on? That's what any responsible person would have done."

Then they called me out on the situation by saying. "I see you are placing the blame everywhere but on yourself for your student loan debt."

Once again they mentioned my poor choices such as borrowing more money than I can afford to pay back, living in a high rent area and so on. This person also said the recession is not an excuse for deferment / forbearance. That I should have been motivated to work harder, get a second or third job to pay the bills.

Sighs.
 
www.thecut.com

The Biden Trap

As the candidate faces credible assault allegations, his progressive female colleagues are being offered a poisoned chalice.
www.thecut.com www.thecut.com

www.businessinsider.com

Former neighbor of Joe Biden accuser Tara Reade corroborates sexual-assault account

Former Biden staffer Tara Reade says the Democratic presidential nominee sexually assaulted her in 1993. Reade's former neighbor tells Insider that Reade confided in her about the allegations at the time.
www.businessinsider.com

theintercept.com

New Evidence Supports Credibility of Tara Reade’s Allegation Against Biden

Reade’s mother called into the Larry King Live show in 1993 and discussed her daughter’s time with a “prominent senator.”
theintercept.com theintercept.com
 
Also, a lot of the Sanders supporters who had vouched to vote for Joe in November are now up in arms over NY taking Bernie off the ballot and are openly contemplating not voting (for President).
 
DownIsTheNewUp said:
Also, a lot of the Sanders supporters who had vouched to vote for Joe in November are now up in arms over NY taking Bernie off the ballot and are openly contemplating not voting (for President).
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A lot of Sanders' supporters are pretty dumb, and are the vocal minority in a lot of the cases. I understand their frustration and how what the NY democratic party/whoever is running the election is very bad. But you gotta pick your battles and this one is not worth fighting over.
 
wokeupnew said:
A lot of Sanders' supporters are pretty dumb, and are the vocal minority in a lot of the cases. I understand their frustration and how what the NY democratic party/whoever is running the election is very bad. But you gotta pick your battles and this one is not worth fighting over.
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To quote my brother who is far from dumb:

"He SUSPENDED his campaign (at the urging of Biden and Obama), and made it 100% clear that he wanted to stay on the ballot to collect delegates so he could affect the party’s policy platform. He was very much on track to get 15% which by DNC rules would give him influence on policy. New York specifically passed laws LAST WEEK so they could take him off the ballot and therefore deny him the 15%. Yet again Bernie was the bigger person by suspending his campaign and trying to unite the democratic party. And yet again they stabbed him in the back. Its so obvious and pathetic it’s mind numbing."

It's not going to effect my vote (though the rape stuff might), but it is more evidence that the Democratic institution is as tone deaf (and abrasive to progressive influence) as ever.
 
DownIsTheNewUp said:
To quote my brother who is far from dumb:

"He SUSPENDED his campaign (at the urging of Biden and Obama), and made it 100% clear that he wanted to stay on the ballot to collect delegates so he could affect the party’s policy platform. He was very much on track to get 15% which by DNC rules would give him influence on policy. New York specifically passed laws LAST WEEK so they could take him off the ballot and therefore deny him the 15%. Yet again Bernie was the bigger person by suspending his campaign and trying to unite the democratic party. And yet again they stabbed him in the back. Its so obvious and pathetic it’s mind numbing."

It's not going to effect my vote (though the rape stuff might), but it is more evidence that the Democratic institution is as tone deaf (and abrasive to progressive influence) as ever.
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Does he really think at this stage a few more delegates is going to change anything? Either Bernie has affected the platform or not by now. It is very hard for me to believe that the number of delegates he would have won in New York would change anything at all. Frustrating, sure, but a moot point. I voted for him in our primary fwiw.
 
DownIsTheNewUp said:
www.thecut.com

The Biden Trap

As the candidate faces credible assault allegations, his progressive female colleagues are being offered a poisoned chalice.
www.thecut.com www.thecut.com

www.businessinsider.com

Former neighbor of Joe Biden accuser Tara Reade corroborates sexual-assault account

Former Biden staffer Tara Reade says the Democratic presidential nominee sexually assaulted her in 1993. Reade's former neighbor tells Insider that Reade confided in her about the allegations at the time.
www.businessinsider.com

theintercept.com

New Evidence Supports Credibility of Tara Reade’s Allegation Against Biden

Reade’s mother called into the Larry King Live show in 1993 and discussed her daughter’s time with a “prominent senator.”
theintercept.com theintercept.com
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I am genuinely curious what the end game is here. Not your end game as you are just part of the echo chamber (not meant as an insult, as we all are to some extent) but who does the far Left think they are helping besides Trump by post a bunch of conjecture? The far left media is doing the Trump campaign’s dirty work for them. Do they think that one “he said, she said” case that that occurred over a quarter century ago is going to cause Biden to step down? He is running against someone with multiple accusations of sexual assault. I feel for Miss Reade, whatever happened was not okay but we will likely never know the truth. Biden was re-elected to the Senate and twice as Veep since these unfortunately events allegedly occurred I am sure these allegations arose during vetting and oppo-research and nothing more has come of it. Biden is going to be The Democratic Candidate for Prez and will be running against Donald Trump. The Far Left spends far more time shitting on Biden than it does attacking Trump. Why chop off your nose in spite of your face? This is not hard. Which option over the next 4 years will be worse? That’s the question at hand. I am not saying that people should not cover these things it’s important to hold the powerful into account but that is not what this is. This is Bernie bro sour grapes and Russian trolls attempting to “what about her emails?” Joe Biden. If rehashing these accusations result in anything it won’t be justice for Miss Reade, and it won’t be Biden not receiving the nomination, it will be giving the far left a reason not to support the Democratic nominee while giving Trump (25 times accused of sexual assault) a way to excuse his awfulness. If new actual evidence to support her claim comes forward or if additional credible claims surface they should be investigated and reported on but that is not what this is.
 
TenderLovingKiller® said:
I am genuinely curious what the end game is here. Not your end game as you are just part of the echo chamber (not meant as an insult, as we all are to some extent) but who does the far Left think they are helping besides Trump by post a bunch of conjecture? The far left media is doing the Trump campaign’s dirty work for them. Do they think that one “he said, she said” case that that occurred over a quarter century ago is going to cause Biden to step down? He is running against someone with multiple accusations of sexual assault. I feel for Miss Reade, whatever happened was not okay but we will likely never know the truth. Biden was re-elected to the Senate and twice as Veep since these unfortunately events allegedly occurred I am sure these allegations arose during vetting and oppo-research and nothing more has come of it. Biden is going to be The Democratic Candidate for Prez and will be running against Donald Trump. The Far Left spends far more time shitting on Biden than it does attacking Trump. Why chop off your nose in spite of your face? This is not hard. Which option over the next 4 years will be worse? That’s the question at hand. I am not saying that people should not cover these things it’s important to hold the powerful into account but that is not what this is. This is Bernie bro sour grapes and Russian trolls attempting to “what about her emails?” Joe Biden. If rehashing these accusations result in anything it won’t be justice for Miss Reade, and it won’t be Biden not receiving the nomination, it will be giving the far left a reason not to support the Democratic nominee while giving Trump (25 times accused of sexual assault) a way to excuse his awfulness. If new actual evidence to support her claim comes forward or if additional credible claims surface they should be investigated and reported on but that is not what this is.
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I gave you two articles citing corroborative evidence. Which is basically identical to the evidence that existed against Brett....

"Hearing my parents try to defend Joe Biden makes me ashamed to be their kid. They were glued to the screen for the Kavenaugh hearings, but are completely blowing off these allegations because they are against somebody they consider an ally.

It's so immensely hypocritical. Some things are bigger than politics and are moral questions of right and wrong. When you lose track of that, when you refuse to even acknowledge the there is evidence than you lose your humanity to a certain extent... all because they don't want to look internally into their party.

In some ways it's worse than with conservatives because liberals are so self righteous about their moral high ground. I'm over this shit, and I hate the Democrats. They repeatedly manage to drive future generations away from politics and the party."

- The woman I basically consider my sister via text this morning. We both considered ourselves Democrats growing up.
 
dhodo said:
Does he really think at this stage a few more delegates is going to change anything? Either Bernie has affected the platform or not by now. It is very hard for me to believe that the number of delegates he would have won in New York would change anything at all. Frustrating, sure, but a moot point. I voted for him in our primary fwiw.
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Yes, every delegate makes a difference. Especially, the 15% mark. Or did you not see the ways in which that was leveraged to influence the party in 2016?
 
DownIsTheNewUp said:
Yes, every delegate makes a difference. Especially, the 15% mark. Or did you not see the ways in which that was leveraged to influence the party in 2016?
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I guess not. Can you explain to me how exactly every delegate makes a difference at this stage in the primary race? I genuinely do not understand.
 
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