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Indymisanthrope said:
His entire reelection campaign is, in order of preference:
1. The virus goes away.
2. We reopen, the virus is still here, and the second wave isn't that bad.
3. We reopen, the virus is still here, the second wave is bad, but not too many people die.
4. We reopen, the virus is still here, the second wave is bad, lots of people die, but so much confusion has been sown in the preceding months that it's difficult to know who to blame.

That's it. This administration will never attempt competence, because they know that way lies failure. So instead they'll lean into the incompetence and incoherence and conspiracy theories and finger pointing, blame literally everyone else when it all falls apart, and hopefully discredit Biden enough in the meantime that so that maybe, just maybe, enough Democrats are either too afraid, too dispirited, or too dead to show up at the polls in November. Victory by attrition.
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Well the thing is that in any of the above scenarios (or any others for that matter) Trump and his allies will declare victory. If there are 800,000 dead Americans by October he’ll be pointing to the UK study that estimated 1-2M and claim he saved hundreds of thousands of lives. Even if we’re somehow in seven figure territory they’ll just find a way to move the bar. And in the case of scenario 4, I think that’s even giving them too much credit - they won’t hope that there’s confusion about who’s to blame (ok, now I have to listen to Monster this afternoon), they’ll actively give their partisans targets to pin it on (China obviously, but don’t discount the possibility of them making this a matter of filthy city dwellers creating this problem for our wholesome Real American communities).

As it was in 2016, the people who are going to vote for Trump don’t need a reason, they just need an excuse.
 
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Trump increasingly engaged in legal battles unfolding over mail-in voting

President Donald Trump has been increasingly engaged in the legal battles unfolding across the country over the issue of vote-by-mail, urging his political advisers to take an aggressive posture to counter Democratic lawsuits on the issue.
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President Donald Trump has been increasingly engaged in the legal battles unfolding across the country over the issue of vote-by-mail, urging his political advisers to take an aggressive posture to counter Democratic lawsuits on the issue.
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RenegadeMonster said:
www.cnn.com

Trump increasingly engaged in legal battles unfolding over mail-in voting

President Donald Trump has been increasingly engaged in the legal battles unfolding across the country over the issue of vote-by-mail, urging his political advisers to take an aggressive posture to counter Democratic lawsuits on the issue.
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I really don't understand how anyone could see this issue from the Republican side. There is just no evidence to support their claims.
 
dhodo said:
I really don't understand how anyone could see this issue from the Republican side. There is just no evidence to support their claims.
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It’s not about evidence, facts whose meaning and implications could be contested between people in good faith. It’s about competing intuitions about what constitutes political fairness. You and me work from an assumption - that our democratic system should be set up and implemented in such a way as to reflect as closely as possible the will of all Americans - that is so deep-set as to be completely intuitive, requiring no articulation or justification when we think about how we would answer questions like “should we make it easier or harder for voters to vote?”

Conservatives - and a good number of the “centrists” that I addressed on the last page - actually operate from a whole different assumption though. A fair system in their view is one that allows for a balance of power between Republicans and Democrats, regardless of whether that balance reflects the overall balance of public opinion. So that’s why all manner of counter-majoritarian measures - from the use of the Senate filibuster to voter suppression to Cocaine Mitch’s court appointment shenanigans - are not only justifiable but necessary in their view. Without them, Republicans would get swamped until they broke the grip that the conservative hardbars have on their party. And that just wouldn’t be fair.
 
I feel like their push for 'fairness' has steam rolled their opponents. It has not been fairness at all.

Don't even get me starting on them blocking Obama's Supreme Court nomination.

They are just packing the courts with people who will back them, their voter suppression and fairness.
 
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