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jaycee said:
Because some white people believe it is their right, the heritage, their privilege to do so.
Because some white people inherently fear being in the same space as black bodies.
Because some white people understand the threat the police represent to black bodies and they want to leverage that threat to continue to keep their white bodies in a privileged position.
Because they are racist

As I'm sure you know, none of this is about logic, facts, or being reasonable.
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If I find it I'll post it, but I read a very good article a couple years back about "White Flight 2.0".

The first white flight happened after the civil rights movement and whites fled the urban areas to segregate them selves in white neighbors in the suburbs.

The white privileged people can no longer flock to their special bubbles and be completely segregated, so now we have white flight 2.0, where the privilege white are fighting back by calling the cops of black people in their neighborhoods or parks.
 
jaycee said:
Y - maybe differently maybe not. i'm not comfortable trying to speak about officers of color but i do think that the indoctrination into the cult can be a strong one.

Maybe to your broader point/idea. I do think that municipalities that require their police force to live in the communities they are supposed to serve are at least attempting to build empathy into an institution that tends to lack it.
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Agreed, my point being the woman's tone, intention would have changed regardless the moment she saw the officer..........based on her overall actions before and during the incident. What would have happened, to your point, hard to know.
 
RenegadeMonster said:
The white privileged people can no longer flock to their special bubbles and be completely segregated, so now we have white flight 2.0, where the privilege white are fighting back by calling the cops of black people in their neighborhoods or parks.
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I disagree with that premise entirely. White people have been sicking the cops on POC for ever. It's been their god given and system given right to do so.... particularly when their God looks eerily similar to them and they control the institutions.

The real estate market as it exists today is still all about "white flight" aka white privilege to control and take advantage of markets. That particular phenomenon describes events in some of the country. In general, suburbia is a post WW2 development and the people that were able to profit most off of the idealism, optimism, and markets of the 1950s were of course whyte folk.

You could just as easily describe the movement of younger, typically liberal, gen x and millenial types into city centers as white flight or perhaps more aptly white landing. The gentrification associated with these more recent real estate market manipulations, zoning manipulations, etc. have displaced a lot of POC who can no longer afford rents, taxes, etc. in their own communities. So certain suburban communities/counties are becoming the places those folks are forced to live, where apartments are cheaper. Look at PG county in DC as an example.

Beyond the community effects. The need to travel further for work. Pay more for gas. Live places with less public transit. Live further away from services and conveniences.... results in furthering the cycle of inequality.

If you're interested in living in a community that's diverse many of the most diverse places in the U.S. would be classified as suburban.
 
opinion piece
www.wbur.org

We Refuse To Call It Murder, But How Else Do You Explain The Killing Of George Floyd?

Amid the frenzied news coverage of Floyd’s death, writes Steve Almond, it’s important to step back and place this atrocity into its proper historical context.
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i would agree that part of the Republican strategy for decades has been the "dog whistling" the writer mentions. It's an opinion piece, not a journalistic article about presenting multiple sides to a story, but still I think it would have been useful to discuss the liberal democratic issues with race and the image of equity they present to the public but fail to represent (more times than not) with policy
 
jaycee said:
opinion piece
www.wbur.org

We Refuse To Call It Murder, But How Else Do You Explain The Killing Of George Floyd?

Amid the frenzied news coverage of Floyd’s death, writes Steve Almond, it’s important to step back and place this atrocity into its proper historical context.
www.wbur.org www.wbur.org

i would agree that part of the Republican strategy for decades has been the "dog whistling" the writer mentions. It's an opinion piece, not a journalistic article about presenting multiple sides to a story, but still I think it would have been useful to discuss the liberal democratic issues with race and the image of equity they present to the public but fail to represent (more times than not) with policy
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Speaking of that Murder, my father sent me a bunch of conspiracy theory garbage about it this morning.

He says those officers did not kill George Floyd, and there is proof on video. The car George Floyd was arrested behind was not the same car in the Crime scene photos. He sent me a whole twitter thread using different photos from surveillance cameras from local businesses that show the car parked on the side of the road that he was killed next to changed. Therefor this whole thing is fabricated. Those officers did not kill him.

I just can't anymore.
 
RenegadeMonster said:
Speaking of that Murder, my father sent me a bunch of conspiracy theory garbage about it this morning.

He says those officers did not kill George Floyd, and there is proof on video. The car George Floyd was arrested behind was not the same car in the Crime scene photos. He sent me a whole twitter thread using different photos from surveillance cameras from local businesses that show the car parked on the side of the road that he was killed next to changed. Therefor this whole thing is fabricated. Those officers did not kill him.

I just can't anymore.
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Just human to human here... have you considered not interacting with your father? or setting boundaries about politics and conversation? Unless you are genuinely intrigued by or interested in the things he purports? Otherwise it isn't really worth your time is it? or are you still genuinely shocked by his idiocy and attempts to manipulate stories to fit his worldview? You could also just block his email address.

Speaking from personal experience with a narcissistic parent a therapist might help you out with this. It is a really difficult thing to have to do... to have to be the adult with people who are supposed to be the adults for you... but sometimes they don't leave you a choice.
 
jaycee said:
Just human to human here... have you considered not interacting with your father? or setting boundaries about politics and conversation? Unless you are genuinely intrigued by or interested in the things he purports? Otherwise it isn't really worth your time is it? or are you still genuinely shocked by his idiocy and attempts to manipulate stories to fit his worldview? You could also just block his email address.

Speaking from personal experience with a narcissistic parent a therapist might help you out with this. It is a really difficult thing to have to do... to have to be the adult with people who are supposed to be the adults for you... but sometimes they don't leave you a choice.
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I am genuinely shocked by his idiocy. I used to ignore it. Now I throw facts back at him which are always written off as "fake news" or that I'm "Naïve" and that the "truth will come out". I just ignore him on that now.

I did have fun linking him back his own twitter thread which got flagged for misinformation. But of course he says Trump will take care of that...
 
Dtknuckles said:
Why do people automatically call 911 to solve a problem? I mean shouldn't there be other ways to verify if these guys are allowed to have access to the gym. Maybe ask them for a business card or institute a gym ID for the whole building.
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Right? It's so alien to me, though I do understand that there are huge swaths of white people who turn to police at the drop of a hat. I have literally never called the police, and my parents never did either, except once when I was small and thought someone had tried to kidnap me. And like, my folks are totally the fox news crowd, but it doesn't bother them to think someone might be breaking a rule or getting away with a thing, and they don't feel entitled to never be annoyed by a neighbor's music or whatever.
RenegadeMonster said:
The gym does require ID cards from employees to access the gym. The ID Card has RFID and allows them through security. They have to be both authorized to enter the building and the gym on their ID / Badge to be able to access the gym. They wouldn't be able to access the gym otherwise like they said.

They refused to show ID, because why should they have too just because they are black? Asking them to prove they belong their is not this guys job. But rather building / office security.
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Yes, I was going to say this. There is no reason for a member or resident to assume the role of membership cop. No one's entitled to anyone else's business.
 
GritNGlitter said:
Right? It's so alien to me, though I do understand that there are huge swaths of white people who turn to police at the drop of a hat. I have literally never called the police, and my parents never did either, except once when I was small and thought someone had tried to kidnap me. And like, my folks are totally the fox news crowd, but it doesn't bother them to think someone might be breaking a rule or getting away with a thing, and they don't feel entitled to never be annoyed by a neighbor's music or whatever.
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debianlinux said:
I, for one, have never been in any situation where the police arrived and the situation improved by any metric. I sure as shit have never called them.
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I’ve called the police on people of color once (well multiple time but always the same complain) I used to live near a gay black club. It was always pretty quiet...with the exception of Sunday nights. Every night at closing time they would pour into the nearby major street and hang out by each others cars. This involved playing music really loud till 3 or 4 and frequent fights. They would stand in the middle of the street, in like groups of 10-15 people. Well the cops would either clear them out with cars or bring in a helicopter. Never called 911 always 311. It’s a non emergency number. Maybe they should publicize it more often.
 
Speaking from the Oval Office ahead of signing the order, Trump said the move was to "defend free speech from one of the gravest dangers it has faced in American history."
"A small handful of social media monopolies controls a vast portion of all public and private communications in the United States," he claimed. "They've had unchecked power to censor, restrict, edit, shape, hide, alter, virtually any form of communication between private citizens and large public audiences."
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Gravest danger to free speech? They didn't censor, restrict, edit, shape, hide or alter trumps tweets in anyway. They just added a flag to it with a fact check to stop the spread of misinformation. They are a private company, they have every right to do this.
 
Protestors Criticized For Looting Businesses Without Forming Private Equity Firm First

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Protestors Criticized For Looting Businesses Without Forming Private Equity Firm First

MINNEAPOLIS—Calling for a more measured way to express opposition to police brutality, critics slammed demonstrators Thursday for recklessly looting businesses without forming a private equity firm first. “Look, we all have the right to protest, but that doesn’t mean you can just rush in and...
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