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Tys1 said:
So if Dems can pull off both the Georgia runoffs then they control the senate? Why are odds of that happening only 24% that seem way low.
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So, there were two races the special election to fill retiring GOP Senator Johnny Isakson’s seat. That race was a special election with no primary. Democrat Rev Raphael Warnock won that race but not by a majority and since no one got over 50% there is a run off between the top two. The Republicans running, Kelly Loeffler, the current senator appointed by the GA Governor ended up beating out Trump Lackey, Doug Collins while neither had enough to beat Warnock by themselves if all of the GOP vote coalesce behind Loeffler she would have beaten out Warnock.

The other race is more traditional John Ossoff against incumbent David Perdue. Though Purdue didn’t hit 50% (he was a hair shy) Ossoff was still about 2% points down. That race also contained a Libertarian candidate that ended up with approximately 2% of the vote. Purdue would certainly start out as the favorite to win the special election.

That being said Special elections are weird so who knows what will happen beyond a shit ton of money being spent. The Dems could pull out one or both but the GOPers are the incumbents and likely going to be favored at least going into it all.
 
duke86fan said:
did the georgia military votes actually come in

because biden still has the 4K gap ahead
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Some did....I saw a tweet that Biden got a majority of a batch. It was a small batch...of what was delivered after election day...not the whole 8K they keep saying.

Military doesn't seem to be helping Trump though
 
LeeVing said:
Military doesn't seem to be helping Trump though
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The military vote definitely interests me. I first joined in 2002, so right in the beginning of the GWOT and long before we knew it would become such a protracted CF.

I remember back then, IME, the support for Bush was resounding (and to a large extent, the GOP as well). I haven't looked at a lot of stats but I've seen exit polls for vets in the past that would have one believe it's about a one-third to two-thirds split Dem/GOP. Individually, a lot of it has to do with why one joined, economic and education background upon entering, era in which one joined, etc.

Personally, I have voted GOP in the past but have long been registered as a Dem and before that independent. GOP aside, Trump is another story. I've spoken with other service members, vets, DOD civilians, contractors (who have mostly served) who are fervent Trump supporters, but I see this as an extension of his base dynamics and not necessarily in relation to their military service.

I've also seen that there is a divide in approval of Trump between the enlisted force and officers (of which I've been both, currently the latter). I can't offer anything but a cursory explanation - but I'd imagine it has to do with education as well as place in the force structure. I can quite easily see the strongman appeal of Trump for a junior enlisted member who sees his posturing as an extension of the chain-of-command, of which they are at the bottom (and I don't mean the "bottom" pejoratively, just as a matter of fact - I've been there).

I am painting with a broad brush here and really just giving some space to thoughts of mine - in no way meant to be scientific or empirical (although certainly experiential).

I will say, I have had conversations in private with other service members who HATE Trump with a passion. Not because he is a Republican, but because he is antithetical to good order and discipline, and the core values of service.

I'm personally happy he will no longer be my boss.
 
www.cnn.com

Trump calls for ballot counting scenario where votes legally cast by military would be thrown out

As President Donald Trump baselessly claimed that all votes received after Election Day are illegal, he attacked the absentee ballots of military members and their spouses that, by law, must be counted.
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In doing so, the President has endorsed a scenario where thousands of members of the military -- actively defending their country -- would be disenfranchised by having their legal votes thrown out.
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I can't imagine this is flying over well with members of the military.
 
Lord Diaper Baby said:
The military vote definitely interests me. I first joined in 2002, so right in the beginning of the GWOT and long before we knew it would become such a protracted CF.

I remember back then, IME, the support for Bush was resounding (and to a large extent, the GOP as well). I haven't looked at a lot of stats but I've seen exit polls for vets in the past that would have one believe it's about a one-third to two-thirds split Dem/GOP. Individually, a lot of it has to do with why one joined, economic and education background upon entering, era in which one joined, etc.

Personally, I have voted GOP in the past but have long been registered as a Dem and before that independent. GOP aside, Trump is another story. I've spoken with other service members, vets, DOD civilians, contractors (who have mostly served) who are fervent Trump supporters, but I see this as an extension of his base dynamics and not necessarily in relation to their military service.

I've also seen that there is a divide in approval of Trump between the enlisted force and officers (of which I've been both, currently the latter). I can't offer anything but a cursory explanation - but I'd imagine it has to do with education as well as place in the force structure. I can quite easily see the strongman appeal of Trump for a junior enlisted member who sees his posturing as an extension of the chain-of-command, of which they are at the bottom (and I don't mean the "bottom" pejoratively, just as a matter of fact - I've been there).

I am painting with a broad brush here and really just giving some space to thoughts of mine - in no way meant to be scientific or empirical (although certainly experiential).

I will say, I have had conversations in private with other service members who HATE Trump with a passion. Not because he is a Republican, but because he is antithetical to good order and discipline, and the core values of service.

I'm personally happy he will no longer be my boss.
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538 looked at a poll, I think it was a by some military connected media before the election. Trump’s approval was way down from 2016. They didn’t get into the weeds by analyzing subgroups though. Maybe there was some differences in race as well as veterans vs active duty.
 
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