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TenderLovingKiller® said:
I think the Dems should go along with it still, Section 230 needs reform and for the most part States run elections the Dems should call their bluff.
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Agreed.

I don't think they understand what will happen if you repeal Section 230. There will be lawsuits everywhere and social media likely would kick those complaining off of their platforms for good. Furthermore, any repeal would be wrapped up in First Amendment challenges on the liability issues for years.

And a study of election fraud? Even if it is started before 1/20 (unlikely given this administration's incompetence), just disband or ignore it after 1/21.
 
wmeugene said:
Agreed.

I don't think they understand what will happen if you repeal Section 230. There will be lawsuits everywhere and social media likely would kick those complaining off of their platforms for good. Furthermore, any repeal would be wrapped up in First Amendment challenges on the liability issues for years.

And a study of election fraud? Even if it is started before 1/20 (unlikely given this administration's incompetence), just disband or ignore it after 1/21.
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Exactly- what does Trump think is gonna happen to social media users like him when their posts suddenly become a corporate liability?
 
TenderLovingKiller® said:
HO-L-Y FUCK!!! This guy like two degrees away from Trump.


...We’re at the”Lizard Squad” portion of this shit show.
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Yeah, yesterday Wood was calling for the execution of Mike Pence (after, and I'm not making it up, Trump institute martial law, and put Flynn in charge of it).

Which, sure he's a despicable human being, but execution is maybe a little too far.

Of course, Wood's reason for calling for Pence's execution is not that Pence has commited treason or is so dangerous that society needs him dead immediately, but rather that he won't commit treason, throw out the electoral college votes and unilaterally declare Trump the winner of the election. Which Pence has said he won't do (and also isn't in his power to do).
 
Twentytwo said:
As long as a good number of people continue to vote against thier own interests we can expect nothing else. I mean McConnell gets re-elected by poor people who are too stupid to know any better. All they know is that democrats want to let babies be aborted, let gays get married and take thier guns away.

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ayayrawn said:
As long as democrats continue peddling right-wing neolibs as the opposition in our state we can expect nothing else. McConnell gets re-elected by poor people who see no alternative or outreach among terrible democratic politicians. All they know is that neither party is really going to reach out to them, so they might as well stick with what they know.
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Thank you @ayayrawn.

While it is easy for someone to shake their head at poor people that "vote against their own interest", this is a much more dynamic and complicated problem. As long as democrats in red states put up non-progressive neolibs whose economic policies are just as bad for poor people as the GOP (if not worse), poor people will continue to vote republican. How are we here in the stupid, backwards South not supposed to vote for people who will continually work against our interests if neither the dems or the republicans put up a candidate that would actually do this? The only people that get put on the ballot are corporate backed shills for the most part. We don't have a robust enough middle class for there to be a well funded progressive candidate.

Why do we constantly put the burden of an inequitable system on the poorest and least educated people in our society? These are the people with the least control in this system. It's not their fault that their public education wasn't adequately financed or resourced, it's all of our faults because we did not, as a society, chose to educate them. The blame should be placed where the control is, not on the heads of the poor.
 
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I love this:

In the days following Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell's blockage of a bill to increase coronavirus stimulus payments to $2,000, Twitter users turned to mobile payment services to demand the money.

The Kentucky Republican argued on the Senate floor Wednesday the measure has "no realistic path to quickly pass the Senate" while Democrats and some Republicans unsuccessfully pushed for a vote on $2,000 stimulus checks before the Senate adjourned Friday.

In response, several people tried to demand the money from the Senate majority leader directly using Venmo and PayPal.
www.courier-journal.com

People are using Venmo to demand $2K from Mitch McConnell after he blocked stimulus checks

After the Senate adjourned without securing $2,000 stimulus checks, people are turning to Venmo to demand the money from the majority leader himself.
www.courier-journal.com


 
And just to continue the talking points on cash aid, here's a cute little study done in Kenya that looked at giving people a one time check versus a 5 week psychotherapy program, as well as the effects of both. Surprise, surprise, psychotherapy for 5 weeks did not much, whereas the effects of cash aid had a positive effect on people emotionally and economically--and this effect lasted at least one year.

We study the economic and psychological effects of a USD 1076 PPP unconditional cash transfer, a five-week psychotherapy program, and the combination of both interventions among 5,756 individuals in rural Kenya. One year after the interventions, cash transfer recipients had higher consumption, asset holdings, and revenue, as well as higher levels of psychological well-being than control households. In contrast, the psychotherapy program had no measurable effects on either psychological or economic outcomes, both for individuals with poor mental health at baseline and others. The effects of the combined treatment are similar to those of the cash transfer alone.

The Comparative Impact of Cash Transfers and a Psychotherapy Program on Psychological and Economic Well-being

Founded in 1920, the NBER is a private, non-profit, non-partisan organization dedicated to conducting economic research and to disseminating research findings among academics, public policy makers, and business professionals.
www.nber.org www.nber.org
 
The Republicans have enough support to force a vote to object the electoral college results in the Senate. I'm not sure about in the house. Regardless, they will not have enough votes in the house if they do force a vote because they don't have the majority control.

More republican senators came out tonight in favor of rejecting the results including one from Georgia.
 
RenegadeMonster said:
The Republicans have enough support to force a vote to object the electoral college results in the Senate. I'm not sure about in the house. Regardless, they will not have enough votes in the house if they do force a vote because they don't have the majority control.

More republican senators came out tonight in favor of rejecting the results including one from Georgia.
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Don’t they just need one in the house and one in the senate.

Also, so they are creating regulations based on conspiracy theory now?:
 
RenegadeMonster said:
The Republicans have enough support to force a vote to object the electoral college results in the Senate. I'm not sure about in the house. Regardless, they will not have enough votes in the house if they do force a vote because they don't have the majority control.

More republican senators came out tonight in favor of rejecting the results including one from Georgia.
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They would need 51 (of their potential 52) majority to actually overturn the results of certifying a states results. 12 have come out and said they would object (you only need for one Senator and one Congressman to object to force a debate and vote). So they will force the debate and vote in both chambers and its very unlikely that the Senate will vote to decertify. Romney, Murkowski, Sasse, McConnell, Thune, Collins, even Tom Fucking Cotton and likely many more who would prefer not to have to take this vote won't go along with this and even if they did the House has a Dem majority and absolutely no chance. This whole thing is dog and pony show designed to curry favor with Trump so he wont tweet mean things at them when they choose to run for president and of course raise money from the gullible.
 
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TenderLovingKiller® said:
They would need all of their 51 of their (potential 52) majority to actually overturn the results of certifying a states results. 12 have come out and said they would object (you only need for one Senator and one Congressman to object to force a debate and vote). So they will force the debate and vote in both chambers and its very unlikely that the Senate will vote to decertify. Romney, Murkowski, McConnell, Thune, Collins, even Tom Fucking Cotton and likely many more who would prefer not to have to take this vote won't go along with this and even if they did the House has a Dem majority and absolutely no chance. This whole thing is dog and pony show designed to curry favor with Trump so he wont tweet mean things at them when they choose to run for president and of course raise money from the gullible.
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The sad thing is this is basically setting the playbook for a future party with majorities in both the house and senate to actually install their own un-elected president if they want, American voters be damned. This is highlighting how fragile democracy is in the US. I hope for all your sakes, that this type of shenanigan is made impossible in the future. Sure, improprieties should be investigated, but this is what the courts should be for.
 
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