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I think have redacted most of the Bible except Leviticus and some culturally out of context passages from Paul
Oh, they LOVE parts of Leviticus, but only the parts that validate their positions. When you go asking them if they wear fabric of mixed fibers or eat shellfish, then excuse after excuse as to why those aren’t valid.
 
Oh, they LOVE parts of Leviticus, but only the parts that validate their positions. When you go asking them if they wear fabric of mixed fibers or eat shellfish, then excuse after excuse as to why those aren’t valid.
yep, this is why I don't use the term evangelical for myself even though I believe in the meaning of the word (at least sharing through deeds and respect and only with words if asked)
 
yep, this is why I don't use the term evangelical for myself even though I believe in the meaning of the word (at least sharing through deeds and respect and only with words if asked)
I consider myself an eXvangelical. Honestly, I’ve had trouble with my faith lately, mostly because of the hypocrisy of the Christian right. I try to tell myself that this little experiment is a test....a separation of the sheep from the goats....and they’re the goats.
 
I consider myself an eXvangelical. Honestly, I’ve had trouble with my faith lately, mostly because of the hypocrisy of the Christian right. I try to tell myself that this little experiment is a test....a separation of the sheep from the goats....and they’re the goats.
hey do what you need to do, the current religious climate in the US is pretty terrible from a national perspective and not in the way the NT talks about.
 
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I have the saddest hunch that 2020 is gonna be 2nd verse same as the 1st


I mean Bernie bros will be back in action and make the democratic election difficult, and sadly Warren isn't winning well in the polls, but the one person people are saying would win the primary is Biden, who is super safe and very much not gonna make much progress and just give us even more of "establishment choice" vibe just like they said with Hillary. So it feels like things aren't change and it's annoying

The phrase Bernie Bro is term created by media for the sake of propaganda. See the fact that he has the highest support amongst Latinos and had far and away the most support among millenial females in 2016. I spent 1000s of hours canvassing for Bernie last go-round in 3 different states and rarely came across a "bro". I did come across a lot of disillusioned, frustrated and economically suffering people (of all stripes) who were pouring their energy into a campaign that the media and DNC were determined to undermine at every turn.

Furthermore, only 10 percent of Bernie supporters voted for Trump. Contrast that when as high as 25% Clinton supporters voted for McCain in 08. I'd add that much of Bernie's success in 16' came from courting independents and bringing typical non-voters into the fold (which is exactly why he had people like me canvassing without a voter registration list). So of course some of them stayed home.

Much else of what you say I agree with. The only paradigm shifters are Bernie and Warren. Unfortunately, they are splitting each others support which makes Biden seem inevitable. And as somebody who called Trump winning the GOP nomination in Oct of 15' (after canvassing at a car show in Burbank and seeing from a ground level where conservative's head were at) and Trump defeating Clinton (the minute she secured the nomination) -- I think Biden is Clinton 2.0 in every sense except that people find him inherently likeable for some reason.

And in the case that he does defeat Trump, there is little upside-- he's even less likely to listen to grass roots or move to the left than Clinton was. Fuck, he's already calling for a middle ground on climate change and chastising millennials for our beliefs-- while we suffer through this boomer-wasteland of an economy and decide whether to have kids knowing that we are at risk of seeing an apocalyptic environmental situation when we are hitting retirement age (as if most of us are even gonna be able to retire).

 
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To me, a right is something intrinsic to the self. A good example is the right to remain silent. Of course it is your right because, realistically speaking, I can't make you not be silent. Same for bearing arms so long as we are flexible with the definition of being armed. So, while it may be illegal the law simply infringes upon the right as opposed to removing it. If it can be removed then it is a privilege instead.

So it is with one's body. Abortion can be illegal or not but they will still happen. Vaccinations can be mandated but they will still be evaded. Thus, I refute your idea that rights are an antiquated notion. It is simply a new ideology to deny the fact that rights do exist. Otherwise, I thank you for your rather long winded exposition that boils down to saying that no, you do not want people to have the right to their own bodies.

Except that the whole problem with modern America is that boils down to three things:

A) We have been taught repeatedly post-Carter to be individualistic and put profit and (by extention) our own happiness over the well being of the other people (and species) that we share this delicate planet with.

B) The right has (successfully) demonized intellectualism and knowledge for decades now while also intentionally rotting the public school systems.

C) The extremely wealthy have maneuvered A and B into a situation where economic inequality is rampant and people / communities are suffering AND they own the media outlets.

People who are anti-vaccine are a direct result of A & B.
 
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Not to be one note, but this is case in point.


To quote an activist I know: "The DNC won't host a climate debate-- and if any candidates participate in any such debate in another venue, they will find themselves excluded from the DNC debate stage. This is what is known as "soft (headed) climate denial."

And I can't help but think this has everything to do with Biden. He's corporate America's pick and they want the issue ignored. So the DNC is never going to allow a light to be shone on the fact that Biden doesn't give two fucks about climate change.
 
Not to be one note, but this is case in point.


To quote an activist I know: "The DNC won't host a climate debate-- and if any candidates participate in any such debate in another venue, they will find themselves excluded from the DNC debate stage. This is what is known as "soft (headed) climate denial."

And I can't help but think this has everything to do with Biden. He's corporate America's pick and they want the issue ignored. So the DNC is never going to allow a light to be shone on the fact that Biden doesn't give two fucks about climate change.
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Not to be one note, but this is case in point.


To quote an activist I know: "The DNC won't host a climate debate-- and if any candidates participate in any such debate in another venue, they will find themselves excluded from the DNC debate stage. This is what is known as "soft (headed) climate denial."

And I can't help but think this has everything to do with Biden. He's corporate America's pick and they want the issue ignored. So the DNC is never going to allow a light to be shone on the fact that Biden doesn't give two fucks about climate change.
Just burn it all down tbh.
 
Here is a somewhat off topic dispatch from Trumps America.

Tracy Morgan just bought a $2 Million Bugatti. The dealer was in NYC, and while driving the car home from NYC to his home in NJ he was side swiped by a driver in NYC. The other driver was 100% at fault.

However, the car being $2M, the damage estimate is more than the drivers total liability coverage on their insurance plan. There for the insurance company will not pay more than what's covered leaving Tracy Morgan's insurance company to likely sue the driver at fault for the remaining balance.

When it comes to a car worth that much, should an average joe be on the hook for crippling amounts of damage.

The comparison is the same damage to a normal car would cost $3,000 to fix. But to this ultra expensive Bugatti the minor damage is more than $350,000.
 
When we normalize and enable hate. When we treat hate as a fringe issue. When we promote the politics of otherism. When we condition people to not give a fuck. These events become normalized.


These events happen everyday, whether we see them in them reported in our news feed or not.

If you don't accept people because of their gender, sexuality, religious orientation, nationality, the way they look - F-off, you're horrible
If you use your religious affiliation to justify a false narrative about the right and wrong of sexual orientation - F-off, you're horrible
If you use your identity politics to promote hate / dissension amongst the masses - F-off, you're horrible.

But I thought DJT loved “the gays”. :mad:
 
Here is a somewhat off topic dispatch from Trumps America.

Tracy Morgan just bought a $2 Million Bugatti. The dealer was in NYC, and while driving the car home from NYC to his home in NJ he was side swiped by a driver in NYC. The other driver was 100% at fault.

However, the car being $2M, the damage estimate is more than the drivers total liability coverage on their insurance plan. There for the insurance company will not pay more than what's covered leaving Tracy Morgan's insurance company to likely sue the driver at fault for the remaining balance.

When it comes to a car worth that much, should an average joe be on the hook for crippling amounts of damage.

The comparison is the same damage to a normal car would cost $3,000 to fix. But to this ultra expensive Bugatti the minor damage is more than $350,000.

I feel like if you gotta sue some poor schmoe to fix your car then you should just have to deal with it yourself. Take the insurance payout and pay for the rest yourself. (Doesn't Tracy Morgan have car insurance himself that would be used in cases like this where the other party doesn't have adequate insurance? I think I would want that for such an expensive vehicle.) Yes, the other driver was at fault, but should he be financially devastated because it was his bad luck to hit a $2m car versus a Honda Civic? I don't think so. There should be limits. I'm tired of the rich and powerful using every bit of their reach to stomp all over the rest of us.
 
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