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Not sure if this is the right place to post it, but has anyone been following the news of Harry Dunn? The way its been handled has, rightly, caused a lot of backlash over here in the UK.

For those out of the loop, 19 year-old Harry Dunn was on his motorcycle when Anne Sacoolas (a US diplomats wife) was leaving a nearby US military base. She was driving on the wrong side of the road and crashed into Dunn who suffered major injuries and unfortunately passed away. Sacoolas quickly returned to the base and got on a private plane with her children and flew back to the US, claiming diplomatic immunity.

Fast forward to yesterday and Trump held a press conference where he made some poorly chosen remarks "The woman was driving on the wrong side of the road, and that can happen. You know, those are the opposite roads, that happens. I won't say it ever happened to me, but it did.". He also accidentally flashed his briefing notes which stated that the US Secretary of State has already told the UK Foreign Secretary that "that the spouse of the US government employee will not return to the United Kingdom."

Harry Dunn death: diplomat's wife will not return to UK, Trump notes say
 
Selaws said:
Not sure if this is the right place to post it, but has anyone been following the news of Harry Dunn? The way its been handled has, rightly, caused a lot of backlash over here in the UK.

For those out of the loop, 19 year-old Harry Dunn was on his motorcycle when Anne Sacoolas (a US diplomats wife) was leaving a nearby US military base. She was driving on the wrong side of the road and crashed into Dunn who suffered major injuries and unfortunately passed away. Sacoolas quickly returned to the base and got on a private plane with her children and flew back to the US, claiming diplomatic immunity.

Fast forward to yesterday and Trump held a press conference where he made some poorly chosen remarks "The woman was driving on the wrong side of the road, and that can happen. You know, those are the opposite roads, that happens. I won't say it ever happened to me, but it did.". He also accidentally flashed his briefing notes which stated that the US Secretary of State has already told the UK Foreign Secretary that "that the spouse of the US government employee will not return to the United Kingdom."

Harry Dunn death: diplomat's wife will not return to UK, Trump notes say
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yes, I was reading on this last night. it's awful, I thought diplomatic immunity did not apply in all cases and I assumed this would be one of those. Trump's response is dismal.
 
Diplomatic immunity should not be available in cases like this. A similar thing happened in DC long ago. A diplomatic hit and killed a pedestrian and then fled the US. Diplomatic immunity should not give people outs for criminal/negligent activity.
 
Selaws said:
Not sure if this is the right place to post it, but has anyone been following the news of Harry Dunn? The way its been handled has, rightly, caused a lot of backlash over here in the UK.

For those out of the loop, 19 year-old Harry Dunn was on his motorcycle when Anne Sacoolas (a US diplomats wife) was leaving a nearby US military base. She was driving on the wrong side of the road and crashed into Dunn who suffered major injuries and unfortunately passed away. Sacoolas quickly returned to the base and got on a private plane with her children and flew back to the US, claiming diplomatic immunity.

Fast forward to yesterday and Trump held a press conference where he made some poorly chosen remarks "The woman was driving on the wrong side of the road, and that can happen. You know, those are the opposite roads, that happens. I won't say it ever happened to me, but it did.". He also accidentally flashed his briefing notes which stated that the US Secretary of State has already told the UK Foreign Secretary that "that the spouse of the US government employee will not return to the United Kingdom."

Harry Dunn death: diplomat's wife will not return to UK, Trump notes say
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Just another story of where the elite most always win and aren't to subject to laws. The 2008 housing crisis was always my confirmation that there were seperate rules and laws for the elite.
 
Selaws said:
Not sure if this is the right place to post it, but has anyone been following the news of Harry Dunn? The way its been handled has, rightly, caused a lot of backlash over here in the UK.

For those out of the loop, 19 year-old Harry Dunn was on his motorcycle when Anne Sacoolas (a US diplomats wife) was leaving a nearby US military base. She was driving on the wrong side of the road and crashed into Dunn who suffered major injuries and unfortunately passed away. Sacoolas quickly returned to the base and got on a private plane with her children and flew back to the US, claiming diplomatic immunity.

Fast forward to yesterday and Trump held a press conference where he made some poorly chosen remarks "The woman was driving on the wrong side of the road, and that can happen. You know, those are the opposite roads, that happens. I won't say it ever happened to me, but it did.". He also accidentally flashed his briefing notes which stated that the US Secretary of State has already told the UK Foreign Secretary that "that the spouse of the US government employee will not return to the United Kingdom."

Harry Dunn death: diplomat's wife will not return to UK, Trump notes say
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I would hope our country would actually follow their own laws and not illegally apply immunity in this case, but sadly we are governed by a wannabe criminal syndicate

Teeeee said:
Diplomatic immunity should not be available in cases like this. A similar thing happened in DC long ago. A diplomatic hit and killed a pedestrian and then fled the US. Diplomatic immunity should not give people outs for criminal/negligent activity.
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It's Not and Agreed

To @Lee Newman 's point:

This is what our own state dept. say about our own policies regarding diplomatic immunity

Section C of the above doc
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Djxfactor511 said:
Haven't seen the video, but from the reporting of it, WTF.

www.npr.org

White House Distances Itself From Violent Fake Video Targeting Media And Critics

A disturbing video depicting President Trump shooting and stabbing political opponents and media outlets was played at a conference held by a pro-Trump group at his Miami resort last week.
www.npr.org www.npr.org
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Is this really that surprising? He spouts this very type of thing on a regular basis and some of his base is just eating it up..........NOW he want's to distance himself.
 
Two part question? Who do you think will get the democratic nomination? Not who you want to win! And second who wins the Presidency?
 
Twentytwo said:
Two part question? Who do you think will get the democratic nomination? Not who you want to win! And second who wins the Presidency?
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Warren
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Indymisanthrope said:
I’m not sure Trump will even be in the general. Actually, serious question — if he by some miracle gets removed from office via the Senate...is there anything preventing him from continuing to run for another term?
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I don't know. Impeachment isn't a felony. If he were charged and convicted of a federal crime then I think that prevents him from running, but impeachment itself doesn't. That seems like it should be wrong.

Other thoughts:
In the wake of whatever all of the current mess and distraction is I was thinking more about the particular mess/tragedy/massacre that is going on in Syria. I know this isn't an original thought, but pretty much everything that has happened during the current administration's reign of terror has been about securing the Russian oil economy / oligarchy.

Of course this story has been playing out for decades, but so much of the policy cluster-turd in the Middle East has seemingly been about propping-up various regimes at various times to secure Russian and U.S. fossil fuel interests. That's why there is no real interest in addressing the challenges there sustainably. De-stabilization = profits for some and death for others.

The economy driven by cold-war thinking /policies has refused to go quietly into the night.

It would be kind-of funny if the inability to be even moderately subtle about these geo-political, money-grab, mobster maneuvers was the thing that generated enough healthy-distrust for Americans to start thinking criticaly about their homeland's role in making many many people's lives worse throughout the world. Maybe all it took was just the right amount of cocksure bloviation????
 
Indymisanthrope said:
It’s possible. But I look to two points:
1. Warren’s recent rise isn’t coming at Biden’s expense, but at the expense of other candidates. That suggests that Biden has a fairly committed base, but that he’s also not the first OR second choice of an even bigger segment of voters.
2. Biden’s current strategy depends on a strong showing in South Carolina. It’s a calculated risk, but still a risk to be willing to take some licks in Iowa and NH and potentially let a losing narrative develop.

Between those, his weak showings in debates, and the Ukraine smears, I think he’s got a real race on his hands.
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It seems ridiculous to say but I suspect there are enough Americans that just won't vote for a woman, or will allow whatever narrative about personality that is really misoginistic code for women are icky and untrustworthy, that hands it to Trump or whomever
 
dbarila said:
Is Trump really going to get the independents that got him elected in 2016? At this point I'd take any of them except Biden. I don't have any real problem with Biden but debunked Ukraine theories will be the "bit her emails" of 2020.
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It wasn't registered independents that elected Trump. It was newly registered and non-traditional Republican voters and a defection of blue working-class moderates.

Creepy grandpa Joe would do more damage to the progressive movement than he's worth imo.
 
Heard on the local morning news this morning that Massachusetts has some of the highest child care costs on the country.

In Boston, a survey found that 3/4 of parents stated that childcare is to expensive. 47% responded that they can't afford childcare or can afford childcare but can't find available childcare.

This is leading to Women once again becoming stay at home mothers, a reverse in the trends over the last 50 years.

Parents are finding it's cheaper for the mother to give up her salary and be a stay at home mother than it is for the mother to continue to work and the family had to pay for childcare. The survey also found that the mothers would rather work than be stay at home mothers, but are forced too because they can't afford childcare.
 
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