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Twentytwo said:
I like the way you think, but that truly remains to be seen. Wait till the Republicans start running the socialism commericals in the general. I am not optimistic about the intelligence of our general electorate.
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He's always been unapologetic about that, it's already priced in. You challenge him on that and he'll talk about sticking to the billionaires. He's very good.
 
dbarila said:
I think Warren could do well against Trump is an election. The "Pocohautus" thing will only go so far. She would stay level headed in the debates and doesn't carry as much baggage as Hillary.
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I really want it to be Warren. I think it would be the best for this country.

But the "There is just something I don't like about her" people will prevent her from winning.

Let me tell you what the "something people don't like about her" is. It's that she is a woman. She's a powerful and intelligent woman. That makes people uncomfortable. People need to get over that. Name it, sit with it, analyze it then get over it. Get over it now or we'll have another 4 years of this crap and I'm not sure our nation will survive. This is not directed at anyone here. Just the people *out there* in general.
 
dbarila said:
I think Warren could do well against Trump in an election. The "Pocohautus" thing will only go so far. She would stay level headed in the debates and doesn't carry as much baggage as Hillary.
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I like her, but was unimpressed with her performance when challenged on how to pay for healthcare. She was scared to talk about raising taxes and talked around the subject. Bernie was like, yep, damn right taxes are going to go up and that's a good thing because of xyz.
 
Indymisanthrope said:
I've never totally bought into him, because I always thought he projected an air of naked ambition, sort of like his positions and the things he said were part of a performance for the trajectory to the presidency that he clearly thought he was on. Which is not to say that I don't think he really believes the things he says -- I'm pretty sure he does -- just that his words/actions have always seemed to operate on two pretty clear levels, to me.

I think people are also turned off by him being a bachelor. Is he still with Rosario Dawson? Weird pairing. I'd always assumed he just wasn't out. Veganism isn't a Great Uniter, either, but hey -- 2 of our last 3 presidents have been teetotalers, and we came [thisclose] to seeing a Mormon in the Oval Office, to boot.
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Booker is not "with" Rosario. That's an arrangement. He's closeted. And maybe that is the problem.

Just be you, dude!
 
jaycee said:
explain please.
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None of them combine the firebrand arm waving with radical policies like Bernie. IMO you only beat Trump by going toe to toe with him and I just don't see any of the other candidates doing that. Ideally AOC would be running, but she's not. Her time will come, but for now the best shot you've got is Bernie.
 
Captainfog said:
None of them combine the firebrand arm waving with radical policies like Bernie. IMO you only beat Trump by going toe to toe with him and I just don't see any of the other candidates doing that. Ideally AOC would be running, but she's not. Her time will come, but for now the best shot you've got is Bernie.
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I don't know if Bernie extreme can compare to Trumps though. Trump relies so much on emotion and mis information to appeal to those emotions. I'm not sure that the voters Bernie needs will be as easily swayed.
 
Captainfog said:
None of them combine the firebrand arm waving with radical policies like Bernie. IMO you only beat Trump by going toe to toe with him and I just don't see any of the other candidates doing that. Ideally AOC would be running, but she's not. Her time will come, but for now the best shot you've got is Bernie.
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I am SOOOOO excited for AOC to run. She has no time for anyone's nonsense. And she has the receipts and knowledge to back herself up.

No one has the complete lack of morals that the orange one does. So no one can match his hateful rhetoric.
 
Teeeee said:
I am SOOOOO excited for AOC to run. She has no time for anyone's nonsense. And she has the receipts and knowledge to back herself up.

No one has the complete lack of morals that the orange one does. So no one can match his hateful rhetoric.
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Unfortunately, the rhetroric against aoc in special is so agressive, that i could see here being gunned down by some right-wing Lunatic at some point
 
Jan said:
Unfortunately, the rhetroric against aoc in special is so agressive, that i could see here being gunned down by some right-wing Lunatic at some point
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Yes, true. At the moment it would be extremely unsafe for her to run.

I'm hoping that a Dem wins next. And settles the country, thus enabling AOC and more like her to succeed even more than they already are.
 
Indymisanthrope said:
Sadly, no matter the outcome of impeachment/elections, I find this part to be the most unlikely result of all. I think the Republican Party is irredeemably compromised in its current incarnation, but has to run out its current path of destruction before something more normal can take its place.
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So much this. The refusual to hold a confirmation hearing for Merrick Garland and the election of Donald Trump was the point of no return in my eyes for both parties.
 
dbarila said:
I don't know if Bernie extreme can compare to Trumps though. Trump relies so much on emotion and mis information to appeal to those emotions. I'm not sure that the voters Bernie needs will be as easily swayed.
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IMO to take the votes from Trump you need to use the same anti establishment, stick it to the elites rhetoric. It's us against them. You empathise and agree with with their anger, but offer different solutions and get them to punch up, not down. None of the current candidates do this better than Bernie and that's why I think he's your best shot for defeating Trump.
 
Captainfog said:
I like her, but was unimpressed with her performance when challenged on how to pay for healthcare. She was scared to talk about raising taxes and talked around the subject. Bernie was like, yep, damn right taxes are going to go up and that's a good thing because of xyz.
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Agreed, Bernie had the more morally appropriate response. Americans do not give a damn about doing the "right" thing and Warren's strategy throughout her political career has been to not say anything she doesn't have to, particularly when it comes to healthcare.

I don't know if that strategy is smart. I wish she made it clear what she believes in but that hasn't traditionally paid off for candidates in the past. The less you say about what you really think the better.
 
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Captainfog said:
IMO to take the votes from Trump you need to use the same anti establishment, stick it to the elites rhetoric. It's us against them. You empathise and agree with with their anger, but offer different solutions and get them to punch up, not down. None of the current candidates do this better than Bernie and that's why I think he's your best shot for defeating Trump.
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I think this is a misconception. People don't vote here. I don't know what the eligible voter turnout was last presidential election (it's highest for pres elecs) but it is appallingly low. American politics is so far beyond the theoretical middle that switching teams very rarely happens. Each party just tries to get the most people they can registered for their party and voting. I'm not saying it doesn't happen, just that I don't think getting people to switch from Trump is a winning strategy.

Something like 30% of Americans will vote for whomever is the Republican candidate regardless of any real or perceived crimes
 
Unless something happens to shift momentum (i.e a surprise Iowa victory for Bernie or Pete)-- it's going to be Warren / Trump. Biden has nose dived in most polls, he spent more than he raised last quarter, he polls at like 6% with people under 35 and he is going to lose the early states intentionally while banking on easy victories in the south... but that just seems like a roadway to momentum being completely lost.

And I honestly think Trump is toast so long as he isn't facing Biden (which will risk suppressing turnout of the roughly 100 million voters under 35 and lend ammo to Trump to shoot at Clinton 2.0). His cult is going to turn out in mass but there are a lot of ways to offset that via strong youth vote (which was at record high during the midterms), minority turnout and the suburban support that has flipped against him.

Warren and Bernie are also capable of eating into the Obama to Trump voter AND (to my surprise) impeachment proceeding seem to even be chipping away at a small percentage of his base support.
 
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