dhodo
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Whoa! It was only $2k when I posted. Great that she is donating it to a charity.Almost bidding at $12K
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Melt Face Molly Drop
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I was reading a Twitter thread this morning on a tweet reminding us that our profit healthcare system costs four times as much as Canada's per capita to run.
Most all the replies were people defending our healthcare system
It became clear that people are really uninformed or had fallen for the lies.
For example, one person replied with.
Obviously someone who doesn't understand per capita.
Lots of people saying "they wouldn't want the government in charge of out healthcare" and "we get what we pay for. We have the best healthcare in the world". Lots a nonsense about long wait times for care, government having death panels and so on.
Most all the replies were people defending our healthcare system
It became clear that people are really uninformed or had fallen for the lies.
For example, one person replied with.
Obviously someone who doesn't understand per capita.
Lots of people saying "they wouldn't want the government in charge of out healthcare" and "we get what we pay for. We have the best healthcare in the world". Lots a nonsense about long wait times for care, government having death panels and so on.
Arizona GOP censures Flake, Ducey and McCain, signaling a fractured party in a key swing state
The Arizona Republican Party sent a clear signal Saturday that its leadership remains loyal to former President Donald Trump when it voted to publicly punish Arizona Gov. Doug Ducey, former Sen. Jeff Flake and Cindy McCain, all of whom opposed Trump's efforts to overturn President Joe Biden's...
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The Republican party has no shame. It's all about winning and staying in power.
Joe Mac
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Opinion: This town powered America for decades. What do we owe them?
After the election, Steve Gray of Gillette, Wyoming left CNN a voicemail saying he feared his home will become a ghost town under President Joe Biden. John Sutter traveled to Gillette to meet Gray. He asks: In the fight against the climate crisis, and after President Biden has re-joined the...
Here is an article about how towns that have risen out of the fossil fuel industry are being left behind and their people without jobs. It brings up a good point, does the United States owe it to them to help them transition? The government funded building the towns, which will likely end up as ghost towns as people abandon them due to the lack of jobs.
Different country I know but I have hugely strong views on this being from a former mining town. The answer is absolutely they have an enormous responsibility to phase out these industries in a managed way, to help the local communities retrain and redevelop their infrastructure to attract new employers and to invest in maintaining the strong social links that grew in such previously single industry areas.
Whilst the fortunes and populations of towns will naturally rise and fall we’ve got to stop allowing places to become post industrial wastelands, it’s toxic.
I was reading a Twitter thread this morning on a tweet reminding us that our profit healthcare system costs four times as much as Canada's per capita to run.
Most all the replies were people defending our healthcare system
It became clear that people are really uninformed or had fallen for the lies.
For example, one person replied with.
Obviously someone who doesn't understand per capita.
Lots of people saying "they wouldn't want the government in charge of out healthcare" and "we get what we pay for. We have the best healthcare in the world". Lots a nonsense about long wait times for care, government having death panels and so on.
Isnt the fact that you have more people a rationale for it costing less per capita too. We’re forever getting the fact that an equivalent of the NHS over here is not sustainable because we’re only 4.7ish million people not 67ish million...
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Tyr
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Welp, just blocked my mom on FB. The political cult buffoonery, while supremely disappointing and annoying, I can deal with. However, she's lately taken to posting some blatantly transphobic and homophobic bullshit in support of the giant orange baby. I can't condone that.
Done.
Done.
debianlinux
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But, they lost...
debianlinux
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Tyr
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Believe me, I’m close to the ‘Fuck your feelings’ stage of all of this mess. But I’ll get through it, I’m sure.
Max Sterling
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The long wait times drives me nuts. Basically, more people have access to health care and aren't simply not going to save money, so you might have a busier waiting room at the ER... How selfish can you be to complain about that?
That is very selfish, but I think they are talking more about wait times for schedules surgeries. In a healthcare system like Canada, you can't buy your way to the front of the line if you have money. You have to wait your turn in line. The number of people ahead of you and how medical necessary your procedure is determines how long you have to wait. Many wealthy people from Canada and other Countries come to the United States, because if they have money they can cut the line and get the procedure done ASAP.
However, here in the United States, the wait times for many are longer than they are in Canada because they put off doing the procedure because they don't have the money, even with insurance the deductibles can be prohibitory.
When I hear wait times, I know it's about privilege. And people not wanting to lose that.
Max Sterling
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Yeah, that's just as selfish a reason. "I can't pay my way to the front of the line"
Ugh... people.
Being from a state that relies on oil and gas, I say yes, they should fund transitions to new industry. However, the problem is that they made such a huge environmental mess with the oil and gas that it's hard to get industry to want to come down here--except more dirty industry since we did get a plastics plant to move to St. John's Parish (you know, to guarantee a fresh round of pollution in our water ways especially).Opinion: This town powered America for decades. What do we owe them?
After the election, Steve Gray of Gillette, Wyoming left CNN a voicemail saying he feared his home will become a ghost town under President Joe Biden. John Sutter traveled to Gillette to meet Gray. He asks: In the fight against the climate crisis, and after President Biden has re-joined the...
Here is an article about how towns that have risen out of the fossil fuel industry are being left behind and their people without jobs. It brings up a good point, does the United States owe it to them to help them transition? The government funded building the towns, which will likely end up as ghost towns as people abandon them due to the lack of jobs.
What has been an environmental disaster area for years is now also becoming an economically depressed environmental disaster, which never bodes well for the future. If you want places like this to rebound and start to heal environmental damage, you HAVE to invest in these communities. If you don't, you get poverty, pollution, and all the issues that come with that--crime and disease to name a couple--in check, it's going to spread. To think that economically depressed areas don't have a bearing on you, is naïve at best.
II had asked my Grandmother if she could make one as well. She got back to me with she's a hooker, not a knitter
your grandma.Knitting is done with 2 sticks. Crochet is done with a hook.Hey you go, you can buy the original.
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It says it is crochet, if that's what your grandma meant by being a hooker. I'm not sure though I can't tell how it was made exactly.
His grandma was saying that she crochets but doesn't knit.
I have so much to say about all of this.I was reading a Twitter thread this morning on a tweet reminding us that our profit healthcare system costs four times as much as Canada's per capita to run.
Most all the replies were people defending our healthcare system
It became clear that people are really uninformed or had fallen for the lies.
For example, one person replied with.
Obviously someone who doesn't understand per capita.
Lots of people saying "they wouldn't want the government in charge of out healthcare" and "we get what we pay for. We have the best healthcare in the world". Lots a nonsense about long wait times for care, government having death panels and so on.
I believe it was some time in 2012 when there was a huge analysis done on American health care and how much it costs per capita. The big buzz was that the UK, though alike with our citizens as far as health behaviors and diet, had better health outcomes than we did but pay roughly $3K less per capita per year. Thus followed a slew of critical analysis regarding the US healthcare system. But some amazing person realized that this was an incomplete analysis and decided to expand out the analysis to look at social services + healthcare outcomes. They found that the UK spends as much per capita per year on their citizens as the US does, BUT that extra $3K that researchers didn't find go to paying the healthcare system, they found was spent in social services--things like public transit and welfare--especially for young families, this includes paid leave for pregnancy. So the UK did about a 60/40 split of funding the medical system plus the social services system, all with what we spent per capita on healthcare alone--and what's so terrible about all of this is that the UK was covering everyone in 2012. All of this analysis was done before we expanded Medicaid, so this per capita that we were spending wasn't even on our entire population.
As for that amazing US health care that we pay so much for? I present this study from Johns Hopkins:
Analyzing medical death rate data over an eight-year period, Johns Hopkins patient safety experts have calculated that more than 250,000 deaths per year are due to medical error in the U.S. Their figure, published May 3 in The BMJ, surpasses the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention’s (CDC’s) third leading cause of death — respiratory disease, which kills close to 150,000 people per year.
According to the CDC, in 2013, 611,105 people died of heart disease, 584,881 died of cancer and 149,205 died of chronic respiratory disease — the top three causes of death in the U.S. The newly calculated figure for medical errors puts this cause of death behind cancer but ahead of respiratory disease.
The researchers caution that most of medical errors aren’t due to inherently bad doctors, and that reporting these errors shouldn’t be addressed by punishment or legal action. Rather, they say, most errors represent systemic problems, including poorly coordinated care, fragmented insurance networks, the absence or underuse of safety nets, and other protocols, in addition to unwarranted variation in physician practice patterns that lack accountability.
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Geez, it almost seems like we get better health outcomes when people's economic and social needs are also somewhat considered in this equation. And we get better medicine when care is coordinated and not fought over via insurance networks. It looks like our "best in the world healthcare" is nothing more than a construct put up by insurance companies and health systems alike who don't want to give up soaring profit margins that are tied to commercial insurance.
The reason that you have long wait times in the ER is because most hospitals are not allowed to turn anyone away, despite their ability to pay. They must receive emergency treatment by law. Also, some ERs don't take copays at admit, so those often get over run by people who have no ability to pay. If you expand out coverage, this won't be as much of a thing anymore because they could go to an urgent care clinic which is a more appropriate place for a large portion of uninsured ER use. You might have a busier line at urgent care, but this would eliminate the huge problem of ER overrun.
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Knitting is done with 2 sticks. Crochet is done with a hook.
His grandma was saying that she crochets but doesn't knit.
She's actually a rug hooker. She makes wool rugs. She doesn't Crochet.
Fleetwood-Matt
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I hate trying to stay informed and finding sources to debunk conspiracy theories and all the reliable sources are behind pay walls
I feel your pain.
At least with white papers, you can usually ask the scientist directly for a copy.
Joe Mac
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The problem is that to lie you just need a camera and YouTube.
Quality journalism costs money and as no one buys the paper anymore they have to find a way monetise their content and paywalls are preferable to click bait stories to maximise advertising revenue.
On another note am I the only person who misses sitting down for a mid morning brew and reading the paper?
LiamGallaghersBucketHat
Go on, geezer.
Working in the medical industry for almost 12 years, I’m still surprised at how little people actually know how their insurance works. Some are under the impression that the amount they pay weekly/monthly should cover them for everything. For the last 5 years or so, I’ve been of the thinking that instead of people receiving a booklet on how your insurance works, because clearly not everyone reads it, you should be made to take a 3 or 4 hour class on how it works.
I’m totally for having some sort of universal healthcare. If not MFA maybe something along the lines of a single payer system and still have a choice to provide your own insurance if you like to spend more money. I think Germany has that kind of system.
I’m totally for having some sort of universal healthcare. If not MFA maybe something along the lines of a single payer system and still have a choice to provide your own insurance if you like to spend more money. I think Germany has that kind of system.
