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Sorry, that is written very unclearly to me. Let me know if I am misunderstanding.

House // Senate

$1400 for up to $150k // $1400 up to $150k
tapers to $0 at $200k // tapers to $0 at $160k

Is that correct?
 
Employers jump on the HSA bandwagon as well because it keeps their costs down.

People heading into retirement age right now are actually vary excited about these new changes. On that other forum I'm on people posted about how if past this allows them to retire now. The only thing keeping them working is healthcare because they fall off that tax credit cliff if they were to retire. These changes would allow them to retire now and the 2 year get them to where medicare can take over. Great for people who are worried about going to work these days because of COVID-19 or who lost a good job and are working just for insurance until they can retire.

But other than that age group, these changes don't seem to help at all. Healthcare plans are just getting crappier and more expensive. The health insurers are generating more revenue and sharing more costs with the consumer. All while saying don't point the finger at us. Hospitals charge to much, or Big Pharma charge to much.
Well they've taken advantage of the best job market, best housing market, cheap college, and easy entry and wealth accumulation in the stock market, why not give them another break? It's not like Medicare and Social security will be more than a shell of a program by the time either of us starts drawing on it, so why not just let them deplete the trust funds and leave us holding the bags. But hey, we're the entitled brats in this scenario.

Sorry, that is written very unclearly to me. Let me know if I am misunderstanding.

House // Senate

$1400 for up to $150k // $1400 up to $150k
tapers to $0 at $200k // tapers to $0 at $160k

Is that correct?
That's how I read it.
 
Watching this very skeptically...

The biggest ACA-related item in the American Rescue Plan, which the House passed last week, would address one of the most persistent complaints about the law among customers and political opponents alike: sky-high premiums for people who don't qualify for federal tax credits to help pay them.

The tax credits can go a long way for those who qualify — in many cases, it's possible to find a plan with zero premiums. But everyone making more than 400 percent of the federal poverty line ($51,520 for an individual) falls off a "subsidy cliff" and has to pay full price. Premiums vary widely depending on local health care costs, and plans often are so expensive that customers forgo insurance.

For the next two years, the American Rescue Plan would expand the tax credits to higher earners and cap the maximum premium anyone is expected to pay at 8.5 percent of their income. It would boost tax credits at lower incomes, as well: People making less than 150 percent of the federal poverty line ($19,320 for an individual) would be expected to pay $0 in premiums for a benchmark plan, for example.

For those with lower incomes, the bill would boost incentives for states to expand Medicaid by having the federal government pick up the tab for new recipients. Twelvestates, including Florida, Georgia and Texas, have refused to accept Medicaid dollars through the ACA. It's unclear whether the bill would affect their calculations.

The changes, which would be temporary, closely mirror Joe Biden's health care agenda from the presidential campaign, and Democrats are expected to try to make them permanent down the line.



This legislation was largely given to the administration by health insurance lobbyists. They are doing everything they can to avoid a full public option for everyone. I don't see a huge amount of extra being done to make care affordable and this isn't going to do anything to change our current medical system. This is Biden going back to business as usual. Big pay offs for private insurance and it doesn't touch things like private equity in healthcare and surprise billing. How disappointing.
I’m one of those who fell off the subsidy cliff. I haven’t had insurance since 2016. For me to have insurance for my family would run us over $2000 and a $6k deductible to then have 50% coinsurance. So $30k+ out of pocket before insurance pays a dime.

Prior to the ACA the company I contract for was able to arrange a group plan for the independent contractors that was affordable and of reasonable coverage. The experiences of people like me are why some folks think the ACA is working exactly as planned. I do believe it was designed to be the total failure it is in order to increase support for a MFA system.
 
Before it was $100k. $112.5k is where the head of household taper begins.
Yeah, it’s absurd politically, you are gonna give a portion of the population Less than what the GOP gave out which will surely fuck over some people. If they kept the cut off the same then yes, some who don’t need the money would end up with stimulus but by restricting further you are gonna have people that were relying on those funds not receive checks which will look way worse. Also, it’s not like the money they don’t give give out is being reallocated to the needy, it will probably just be used to build some more bombs and tanks and whatnot. I guess at least it higher than they were initially pushing for.
 
Georgia house of representatives have now passed their election reform bill.

As expected, it repeals no excuse absentee ballots that has been in place since 2005. It also severely limits early voting expands poll monitoring.

Georgia republicans say this is aimed at bringing confidence back into the election system after major irregularities occurred in 2020?

Just what irregularities might those be? That Democrats won the state for the first since since 1992 I'm sure. As there is no real evidence of anything else...

This bill is expected to pass the republican control Georgia Senate and be signed by the Governor.
 
Georgia republicans say this is aimed at bringing confidence back into the election system after major irregularities occurred in 2020?
I could swear they said their counting was accurate with no irregularities except the the outcome wasn't to their liking...............I'm gonna refer back to @Chucktshoes now, because he's pushing a very compelling argument as of late, lol
 
I could swear they said their counting was accurate with no irregularities except the the outcome wasn't to their liking...............I'm gonna refer back to @Chucktshoes now, because he's pushing a very compelling argument as of late, lol

Well, to their credit, the election committee that certified their vote and said there were no irregularities are the same people as these lawmakers.

The GOP lawmakers appear to be taking a page out of Trumps playbook. And as far as I can tell, they haven't said what these irregularities were. Just that there were irregularities which is what much of Trumps base believes, "The Big Lie", and are using it to their advantage.

One thing I also forgot to mention in my post above is is Georgia Republicans also say this bill also restores a fair and balanced election. Which can be read, keep the power tipped in their direction so land mass wins over population.
 
Well, to their credit, the election committee that certified their vote and said there were no irregularities are the same people as these lawmakers.

The GOP lawmakers appear to be taking a page out of Trumps playbook. And as far as I can tell, they haven't said what these irregularities were. Just that there were irregularities which is what much of Trumps base believes, "The Big Lie", and are using it to their advantage.

One thing I also forgot to mention in my post above is is Georgia Republicans also say this bill also restores a fair and balanced election. Which can be read, keep the power tipped in their direction so land mass wins over population.
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I’m one of those who fell off the subsidy cliff. I haven’t had insurance since 2016. For me to have insurance for my family would run us over $2000 and a $6k deductible to then have 50% coinsurance. So $30k+ out of pocket before insurance pays a dime.

Prior to the ACA the company I contract for was able to arrange a group plan for the independent contractors that was affordable and of reasonable coverage. The experiences of people like me are why some folks think the ACA is working exactly as planned. I do believe it was designed to be the total failure it is in order to increase support for a MFA system.
You know I wish I could believe that this was put into place in order to fail and usher in a M4A system, but I think the reason we don't talk about M4A is because private insurance and large hospital systems don't want it--so it's not even a politically viable option. To me, ACA was meant to be a band aid on a gaping wound (so it was inadequate to start). I think a few progressives thought this would be how we would get to M4A, and honestly, so did I, but after dealing with ACA for 8 years, I think it was private business's answer to what should probably be a public service. We are dealing with a bunch of monopolies (our health insurance companies just keep getting bought out by a bigger guy). It's against their interests to see prices for medical services go down, so if you can't use your benefits because you don't have enough to pay the deductible, it's your problem. Their job was to give you "access" to healthcare, not healthcare. This is what happens when we allow unregulated monopolies to do whatever they want because they pay off our politicians.
 
You know I wish I could believe that this was put into place in order to fail and usher in a M4A system, but I think the reason we don't talk about M4A is because private insurance and large hospital systems don't want it--so it's not even a politically viable option. To me, ACA was meant to be a band aid on a gaping wound (so it was inadequate to start). I think a few progressives thought this would be how we would get to M4A, and honestly, so did I, but after dealing with ACA for 8 years, I think it was private business's answer to what should probably be a public service. We are dealing with a bunch of monopolies (our health insurance companies just keep getting bought out by a bigger guy). It's against their interests to see prices for medical services go down, so if you can't use your benefits because you don't have enough to pay the deductible, it's your problem. Their job was to give you "access" to healthcare, not healthcare. This is what happens when we allow unregulated monopolies to do whatever they want because they pay off our politicians.
And this is where our worldviews cause us to diverge. We recognize the the same problems, the incestuous relationship between corporate interests and politics, but our solutions are vastly different. I recognize that government intervention caused this issue so reject the idea that government intervention can fix it. It’s simply not in their interests to do so.

I view some form of M4A as an inevitability, but I just don’t view that as a positive thing.
 
And this is where our worldviews cause us to diverge. We recognize the the same problems, the incestuous relationship between corporate interests and politics, but our solutions are vastly different. I recognize that government intervention caused this issue so reject the idea that government intervention can fix it. It’s simply not in their interests to do so.

I view some form of M4A as an inevitability, but I just don’t view that as a positive thing.

For me, I only think M4A is a positive thing if we go all in. We can't do it half ass with a mix of private and public portions. It doesn't solve the issues we face such as sky high prices and in-network / out-of-network. I think any measure that does not go far enough will just place chaos and uncertainty in the market causing prices to go further up.
 
And this is where our worldviews cause us to diverge. We recognize the the same problems, the incestuous relationship between corporate interests and politics, but our solutions are vastly different. I recognize that government intervention caused this issue so reject the idea that government intervention can fix it. It’s simply not in their interests to do so.

I view some form of M4A as an inevitability, but I just don’t view that as a positive thing.
I can kind of get that but I think it's less a problem of "Government can't fix this" and more a problem of "this current government won't fix this."

I believe we need representatives in place to make these types of decisions for everyone. I just really think we need to change the way we choose those representatives and aggressively limit the power and benefits they can gain from their positions.
 
I just really think we need to change the way we choose those representatives and aggressively limit the power and benefits they can gain from their positions.
Bingo.

Make government a difficult position with little to no personal benefits only with above average pay. There would be no vile GOPers (I’m thinking of Loeffler specifically, who take advantage of insider knowledge) or Dems in the ranks because they can’t personally benefit from it.
 
For me, I only think M4A is a positive thing if we go all in. We can't do it half ass with a mix of private and public portions. It doesn't solve the issues we face such as sky high prices and in-network / out-of-network. I think any measure that does not go far enough will just place chaos and uncertainty in the market causing prices to go further up.
Each would be varying degrees of awful.
I can kind of get that but I think it's less a problem of "Government can't fix this" and more a problem of "this current government won't fix this."

I believe we need representatives in place to make these types of decisions for everyone. I just really think we need to change the way we choose those representatives and aggressively limit the power and benefits they can gain from their positions.
Please don’t take this as a personal attack or insult. That idea is based upon as rose colored fantastical view of the nature and abilities of government and the people involved in it as Margret Mead’s view of the antebellum South.
 
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