Joe Mac
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That sounds like a recipe for even more endemic corruption than we already have...
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That sounds like a recipe for even more endemic corruption than we already have...
Chucktshoes
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@Max Sterling I do agree with you and @wokeupnew on this point though. Don’t think I made that clear in my last post.
House cancels Thursday session after security agencies cite risk of new violence — The Wall Street Journal
House leaders canceled Thursday’s legislative session and rescheduled morning votes after police officials warned of a possible plot by a militia group to again storm the Capitol.
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Yikes, I thought my father was full of it when he said shit was going to down tomorrow. The day the constitution says a president is inaugurated.
TenderLovingKiller®
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You dad is full of it but that’s the problem. It’s a precautionary likely overreaction to people like your Pop buzzing about this BS online.
House cancels Thursday session after security agencies cite risk of new violence — The Wall Street Journal
House leaders canceled Thursday’s legislative session and rescheduled morning votes after police officials warned of a possible plot by a militia group to again storm the Capitol.
Yikes, I thought my father was full of it when he said shit was going to down tomorrow. The day the constitution says a president is inaugurated.
Chucktshoes
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I agree wit TLK, your dad is a wack job and like others have said before, setting some hard boundaries with him wouldn’t be a bad idea at all. He’s clearly a toxic influence in your life. I once had to cut ties with my mom for several years, I know how hard it can be.House cancels Thursday session after security agencies cite risk of new violence — The Wall Street Journal
House leaders canceled Thursday’s legislative session and rescheduled morning votes after police officials warned of a possible plot by a militia group to again storm the Capitol.
Yikes, I thought my father was full of it when he said shit was going to down tomorrow. The day the constitution says a president is inaugurated.
Sorry if I overstepped, just something that’s been bubbling up as I’ve read back a few months in this thread.
That’s cool. My BFF has a lot of your same world view. She’s fun to debate with.
Just make them do what we all do, put their portfolios in ETFs and make it so they can’t touch them until they are out of office.
Chucktshoes
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It’s always good when you have someone whom you like, or even at the very least respect, that holds such differing views to debate with. That’s something that is becoming clearer to me. If you can’t engage with the other human being, as a human being, there’s no point in even bothering. In addition, if you don’t already hold that standing in someone’s life, your opinions are worthless to that person. Save the energy for places it will be of value.
That was part of the issue with my prior engagements with folks here before and will inform my ongoing discussions in this thread. I need to recognize when the friction is about ideas, or people. There are some folks on here I just don’t like. I guarantee that some folks here just don’t like me. That’s ok. It’s on me to resist the urge to tie into it with someone whom I simply don’t like. As far as what others do, that’s not on me.
Djxfactor511
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I, for one, appreciate you being back, Chuck. For this exact reason.
Nee Lewman
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I’ve always thought that you, @Chucktshoes , are a valuable part of this thread because it tends to be a very effective echo chamber.
This is becoming more of a problem for me in life in general because I’ve excised toxicity from my social media and in my role at work, there is not a lot of room to allow me to really openly express my views, much less have a debate with someone.
This is becoming more of a problem for me in life in general because I’ve excised toxicity from my social media and in my role at work, there is not a lot of room to allow me to really openly express my views, much less have a debate with someone.
Space Wanderer
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Is there an institution (or group of people, or whatever) that in your estimation is possessed of the “nature and abilities” required to deliver healthcare to people in an efficient and humane manner?
Chucktshoes
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For the population as a whole, not any single group. There are too many folks with differing needs and wants. I believe that a mix of commercial and charitable entities is the best way to go.
One of the biggest net losses to the population as a whole in the US was the morphing of religiously affiliated hospitals from charitable organizations to commercial entities. It is a great failure of the Church to allow that to have happened.
Space Wanderer
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How do you account for the fact that there are other countries that do seem to be able to accomplish the goal of delivering healthcare (relatively) efficiently and humanely?
Joe Mac
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I find it difficult to stomach the idea of any tolerance of any church being allowed to have any involvement in any form of healthcare. You’re putting vulnerable women from lower socio economic positions in a very difficult situation and religious organisations have an appalling record in looking after people placed in their care.
It also opens the door for the healthcare system to refuse to care for certain people because it goes against their religion. This type of healthcare system would not be very friendly for the LGBTQ community, nor would they provide abortions.
Chucktshoes
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I would say that things are rarely what they seem and that government run healthcare systems will universally show themselves to be neither efficient nor humane upon closer examination.
I recognize that you have longstanding beef with the Church.
Chucktshoes
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Nobody should be forced to provide anything to anyone they don’t wish to, that said, I think you’d find less discrimination on that front that you realize. That said, I’m not advocating healthcare being fully under the purview of the Church. I’m simply saying that the Church has abdicated responsibility for a role that it is commanded to perform.
As far as abortion, I’m not going to deal with that subject here. My views on it are 100% not welcome here and that debate would overshadow anything else. So this’ll be the last I mention it.
Joe Mac
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I think it’s beyond beef. The potential to deny women healthcare options because of ethos is not one that should be allowed. I think the churches historic failure of such women and their offspring and other children in general is pretty well documented.
Faith is a personal thing that I won’t ever question someone holding or practicing. I’ll never be a member of a church again but I’d consider myself somewhere between and deist and an agnostic, I am certainly no atheist. Organised religions being allowed a role in healthcare is a red line though and it’s intolerable in a modern society.
Chucktshoes
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I find most of modern society is the bit that is intolerable. So I don’t think we’re going to find much common ground here.
Space Wanderer
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Do you have any particular systems in mind, that have been shown to be less efficient and humane than they are perceived to be? I‘m not accepting “the UK” as an answer since that system was not so much revealed as (deliberately) destroyed over time.
The Stimulus bill is in Jeopardy once again in the senate.
Sen. Ron Johnson, R-Wisconsin, is planning a days long stunt to try to delay if not block it's passage.
First up, he pans on having the entire bill read on the senate floor, which would take a minimum of 10 hours. He also has not ruled out the filibuster.
The GOP has a problem, and that is that the stimulus bill is hugely popular even among their voters. So they can't oppose the checks to American directly. So Sen. Ron Johnsons game is to call out and protest everything bundle with the bill. Delaying its passage and perhaps preventing the bill in its entirety form being passed. This will delay it's passage until after expanded unemployment benefits expire which will hurt millions of Americans. Then, they plan to point the finger at Democrats for the failure to get this bill passed because of all the political games they played trying to bundle their agenda with it.
Sen. Ron Johnson, R-Wisconsin, is planning a days long stunt to try to delay if not block it's passage.
First up, he pans on having the entire bill read on the senate floor, which would take a minimum of 10 hours. He also has not ruled out the filibuster.
The GOP has a problem, and that is that the stimulus bill is hugely popular even among their voters. So they can't oppose the checks to American directly. So Sen. Ron Johnsons game is to call out and protest everything bundle with the bill. Delaying its passage and perhaps preventing the bill in its entirety form being passed. This will delay it's passage until after expanded unemployment benefits expire which will hurt millions of Americans. Then, they plan to point the finger at Democrats for the failure to get this bill passed because of all the political games they played trying to bundle their agenda with it.