Political Discussion

[jaycee]

We have crooks running our government and racists infiltrating our police and armed forces. What could go wrong here?

Always have and always will.

I might disagree in approach / philosophy with @Chucktshoes, but agree 100% that trying to reform something that exists solely to maintain itself is not going to result in the changes so many of us seek.

 

[folsom_lives]

Indiana Sheriff’s Association supporter plate, I think, but yeah, similar thing and it’s a tie between that and the WP sticker for me.

Yeah, it's everything under the umbrella of the police sticker for me.

 

[Tyr]

It started out that way sure but has since become widely accepted by the White Suprematist movement to mean exactly what 4chan claimed initially as a goof on the MSM. Lots of white suprematist don’t frequent 4chan and aren’t in on the joke but still use the gesture the same way I, as 15 year-old boy thought I was super edgy by casually flash the bird in school photos.

Also, It may be way down on the list of shitty things for both but Fuck 4chan and White Suprematists for co-opting the “OK” hand gesture. I liked that one.

4chan ruins everything...always

 

[GritNGlitter]

Maybe I am getting old, I could swear "cancel culture" has been around a long, long, time.............it was just called being held accountable for your actions and society seeing you for who you are, and then not paying attention to you anymore. So, call it what you want, you should still be behind bars.

I believe they started to call it cancel culture when you didn't just go away quietly. The media started reporting on the actions took to hold you accountable. Also, this means it's harder to brush things under the rug. You are less likely to get away with something if it's being reported on and there are expectations to hold you accountable.

It became "cancel culture" when marginalized groups started being able to hold folks with more power accountable.

We have crooks running our government and racists infiltrating our police and armed forces. What could go wrong here?

It isn't infiltration when it's built into the structure.

I mean, not that the "infiltration" of those institutions required a lot of stealth. It's built in.

Yes, this.

 

[RenegadeMonster]

From about 2000 to 2013 the federal government gave railroads grants to buy green, low emissions engines. In addition to the grants, the Railroads would get 15 years of tax credits for the purchase of the equipment, which the government paid for in full via the grants.

It sounded like a good idea, but I recently learned a lot about it in a thread on a railroad forum and how this idea failed.

Most of these green engines are sitting on the dead line, and now that 15 year tax credits are coming up many of them are now being scrapped.

What went wrong? Were they a bad design or lemons? Are things just build to last anymore? The answer to those questions is no, not really.

The issue was the railroads did not have the proper talent to perform maintenance on engines that are heavily computerized. They also did not understand how to operate them.

Historically, many engines railroads still use today are 40 to 60 years old. All mechanical, and they run them into the ground before bringing them into the shop.

The newer engines have computers, and faults go off that shut down the engine to prevent any kind of mechanical failure. This resulted in these engines being known as shop queens, having to visit the maintenance shop far more often to perform routine maintenance to prevent failures rather than running the engine without proper maintenance until it fails. The maintenance crews, which weren't familiar with the computerized systems, often placed these engines in the dead line rather than performing the required maintenance because they couldn't figure out what was wrong. And these engines were often treated with low priority when fixing as they took longer to digianose with staff that aren't properly trained and considered unreliable because they were always in the shop. Things like needing to replace an oil filter in the engine would trigger a fault.

Another issue was these engines were designed for light to medium weight freight trains. Many railroads often used them on heavy freight. To make matters worse, they were paired with older engines of the same horsepower. These new green engines are not interchangeable with any other engine of the same horsepower because they have much better acceleration. Instead of one large diesel engine, they had 3 smaller diesel engines that powered a generator. The trains propulsion were 100% electric power based. So when put on a heavy freight train in a mixed with older engines and having higher acceleration, the engines and acceleration were often pushed beyond their limits requiring in premature maintenance according to their designed maintenance schedules.

Newer engines also have to meet stricter emissions standards. They have emission standards, and require more maintenance to keep within the legal limits of emissions.


The reason why they are being scrapped now is the tax credits are ending, and the engines are considered to cost too much in maintenance to be beneficial and unreliable because they constantly need to be taken out of service to have routine maintenance performed on them.

An engine over 40 years old has no emissions standards. Doesn't need to pass emissions tests or require upkeep to pass the emissions tests. Not to mention, they can ignore maintenance altogether until there is a major failure and just rebuild the engine / replace the parts. They find this to be far cheaper to operate.

So culturally they were not a good fit, as railroads want the least amount of maintenance and expenses required.

So, this has me wondering again. What would it take to actually move to a new type of engine that is better for the environment.

 

[nolalady]

From about 2000 to 2013 the federal government gave railroads grants to buy green, low emissions engines. In addition to the grants, the Railroads would get 15 years of tax credits for the purchase of the equipment, which the government paid for in full via the grants.

It sounded like a good idea, but I recently learned a lot about it in a thread on a railroad forum and how this idea failed.

Most of these green engines are sitting on the dead line, and now that 15 year tax credits are coming up many of them are now being scrapped.

What went wrong? Were they a bad design or lemons? Are things just build to last anymore? The answer to those questions is no, not really.

The issue was the railroads did not have the proper talent to perform maintenance on engines that are heavily computerized. They also did not understand how to operate them.

Historically, many engines railroads still use today are 40 to 60 years old. All mechanical, and they run them into the ground before bringing them into the shop.

The newer engines have computers, and faults go off that shut down the engine to prevent any kind of mechanical failure. This resulted in these engines being known as shop queens, having to visit the maintenance shop far more often to perform routine maintenance to prevent failures rather than running the engine without proper maintenance until it fails. The maintenance crews, which weren't familiar with the computerized systems, often placed these engines in the dead line rather than performing the required maintenance because they couldn't figure out what was wrong. And these engines were often treated with low priority when fixing as they took longer to digianose with staff that aren't properly trained and considered unreliable because they were always in the shop. Things like needing to replace an oil filter in the engine would trigger a fault.

Another issue was these engines were designed for light to medium weight freight trains. Many railroads often used them on heavy freight. To make matters worse, they were paired with older engines of the same horsepower. These new green engines are not interchangeable with any other engine of the same horsepower because they have much better acceleration. Instead of one large diesel engine, they had 3 smaller diesel engines that powered a generator. The trains propulsion were 100% electric power based. So when put on a heavy freight train in a mixed with older engines and having higher acceleration, the engines and acceleration were often pushed beyond their limits requiring in premature maintenance according to their designed maintenance schedules.

Newer engines also have to meet stricter emissions standards. They have emission standards, and require more maintenance to keep within the legal limits of emissions.


The reason why they are being scrapped now is the tax credits are ending, and the engines are considered to cost too much in maintenance to be beneficial and unreliable because they constantly need to be taken out of service to have routine maintenance performed on them.

An engine over 40 years old has no emissions standards. Doesn't need to pass emissions tests or require upkeep to pass the emissions tests. Not to mention, they can ignore maintenance altogether until there is a major failure and just rebuild the engine / replace the parts. They find this to be far cheaper to operate.

So culturally they were not a good fit, as railroads want the least amount of maintenance and expenses required.

So, this has me wondering again. What would it take to actually move to a new type of engine that is better for the environment.

This sounds like the old problem of someone developing a user interface tool without discussing it with the day to day users. I'm sure you see it in IT projects all the time; I know I do. It's people deciding that this is a good idea (which it is a good idea) , and instead of understanding the ins and outs of the RR business, someone went and developed an under powered engine (for emission standards) that no one has be trained on to fix (or the training is inadequate). This was a bunch of designers isolated from end users who made something that no one can use. Part of an engineer's job is to design around the end user, not the other way around. But I find recently that more and more engineers/designers are removed from their end users and it creates this sort of waste.

 

[mdmost]

Texas had another emergency situation with our energy grid yesterday due to a stalled front over the state. An emergency situation in April when not everyone is running their A/Cs full blast yet. And 100+ degree summer days are ahead. Yeah, not being regulated or a part of other states' grids is just great. Lone Star State! But hey, we're fully open! Take that liberals!

 

[RenegadeMonster]

This sounds like the old problem of someone developing a user interface tool without discussing it with the day to day users. I'm sure you see it in IT projects all the time; I know I do. It's people deciding that this is a good idea (which it is a good idea) , and instead of understanding the ins and outs of the RR business, someone went and developed an under powered engine (for emission standards) that no one has be trained on to fix (or the training is inadequate). This was a bunch of designers isolated from end users who made something that no one can use. Part of an engineer's job is to design around the end user, not the other way around. But I find recently that more and more engineers/designers are removed from their end users and it creates this sort of waste.

I do not believe the engines were underpowered. 2500 HP is equivalent to any other 2500 HP engine they were being paired with. They just had better acceleration so these engines ended up doing the brunt of the work during acceleration rather than the entire set of engines working together.

In this case, I believe it's the railroads fault for not adhering to the user manuals, maintenance schedules and not training staff.

All this was provided to the railroads. But the failed to:

• Ignore recommendations for pairing with train sets because logistically it's easier to not have to worry about it.
• Not keep up with routine maintenance because they are used to just running engines into the ground and treated these engines the say way. However, these engines would force maintenance and stop working to protect themselves from any kind of failure if the maintenance schedules were ignored. Once this happened the engines were often pulled out of service and sat in dead lines for months on end before being serviced.
• Not training existing staff on computerized engines or acquiring staff knowligible in it. Like trucking or cars, all modern engines are computerized. But since many engines railroads use still predate that and are 100% mechanical, many if not most railroads are laking any kinds of shop / mechanic talent that can work on modern engines that are computerized. And they aren't investing much at all in this.

 

[nolalady]

I do not believe the engines were underpowered. 2500 HP is equivalent to any other 2500 HP engine they were being paired with. They just had better acceleration so these engines ended up doing the brunt of the work during acceleration rather than the entire set of engines working together.

In this case, I believe it's the railroads fault for not adhering to the user manuals, maintenance schedules and not training staff.

All this was provided to the railroads. But the failed to:

• Ignore recommendations for pairing with train sets because logistically it's easier to not have to worry about it.
• Not keep up with routine maintenance because they are used to just running engines into the ground and treated these engines the say way. However, these engines would force maintenance and stop working to protect themselves from any kind of failure if the maintenance schedules were ignored. Once this happened the engines were often pulled out of service and sat in dead lines for months on end before being serviced.
• Not training existing staff on computerized engines or acquiring staff knowligible in it. Like trucking or cars, all modern engines are computerized. But since many engines railroads use still predate that and are 100% mechanical, many if not most railroads are laking any kinds of shop / mechanic talent that can work on modern engines that are computerized. And they aren't investing much at all in this.

From your earlier post:
Another issue was these engines were designed for light to medium weight freight trains. Many railroads often used them on heavy freight.

The RR needed these engines for heavy freight trains. They were made for light to medium weight trains. So if the RR needed heavy weight engines and got light or medium weight engines, then the engines were under powered for the RR's needs.

The RR messed up. The didn't train their people and they didn't run the engines like they were supposed to, but I still say this is partly due to engineers/designers not talking to end users. And now that we have all the "what went wrongs", the engineers need to go back to their drafting boards and think about how to make a more resilient engine that doesn't have a lot of maintenance problems.

The problem with transitioning 100% to green technologies is that green technology is not able to provide the current level of functioning that older "dirty" technology can. I think that people that design and develop these green technologies need to work way closer with the people who are trying to use the technology, in order to revise their design to make it work better in the given application. We can make green technology work, but not if we don't have people willing to go back to the drawing board, instead of insisting that the problem with their product is user error. It's like putting in a server that is top of the line, but extremely finicky, that ends up going down if it cannot run at a certain "optimal" speed. It might be great and top of the line, but it's useless if people waste half their day trying to figure out how to get it online. The engineers of these products need to work on making them more viable solutions to our various power problems, and I don't really see that happening.

 

[Chucktshoes]

From your earlier post:
Another issue was these engines were designed for light to medium weight freight trains. Many railroads often used them on heavy freight.

The RR needed these engines for heavy freight trains. They were made for light to medium weight trains. So if the RR needed heavy weight engines and got light or medium weight engines, then the engines were under powered for the RR's needs.

The RR messed up. The didn't train their people and they didn't run the engines like they were supposed to, but I still say this is partly due to engineers/designers not talking to end users. And now that we have all the "what went wrongs", the engineers need to go back to their drafting boards and think about how to make a more resilient engine that doesn't have a lot of maintenance problems.

The problem with transitioning 100% to green technologies is that green technology is not able to provide the current level of functioning that older "dirty" technology can. I think that people that design and develop these green technologies need to work way closer with the people who are trying to use the technology, in order to revise their design to make it work better in the given application. We can make green technology work, but not if we don't have people willing to go back to the drawing board, instead of insisting that the problem with their product is user error. It's like putting in a server that is top of the line, but extremely finicky, that ends up going down if it cannot run at a certain "optimal" speed. It might be great and top of the line, but it's useless if people waste half their day trying to figure out how to get it online. The engineers of these products need to work on making them more viable solutions to our various power problems, and I don't really see that happening.

The greatest technology in the world isn’t that great if it only works in the lab.

 

[RenegadeMonster]

Man Fined for Farting On Cop Argues Farts Are Protected Forms of Expression

The alleged flatulent was hanging at the park with friends when he was approached by a group of police officers—that’s when things got windy.

www.vice.com

Let's all end the day with a chuckle.

 

[Joe Mac]

That railroad exchange was pretty weird and niche. Big picture...

 

[RenegadeMonster]

That railroad exchange was pretty weird and niche. Big picture...

And it shows how government lead initiatives to green energy and lower emissions failed in this case. And many of the efforts we have made to date have failed.

They are not going to bring about change if they don't force changes and continue to grandfather tons of stuff in. The railroads are not interested in the low emissions green engines because because they cost a lot more in maintenance to continue to operate and stay within emissions standards. If they fail the government emissions test, the engine has to be taken out of service until they meet the proper emissions levels. These engines also require more expensive diesel designed for lower emissions.

With older engines, they can just keep rebuilding them and rebuilding them and always be exempt from emissions. Which means they can buy the cheapest dirtiest fuel, not have to deal with emissions tests and staying complaint to government regulated emissions standards.

It makes me feel like no one will make the move unless forced without the move being cheaper.

 

[Chucktshoes]

And it shows how government lead initiatives to green energy and lower emissions failed in this case. And many of the efforts we have made to date have failed.

They are not going to bring about change if they don't force changes and continue to grandfather tons of stuff in. The railroads are not interested in the low emissions green engines because because they cost a lot more in maintenance to continue to operate and stay within emissions standards. If they fail the government emissions test, the engine has to be taken out of service until they meet the proper emissions levels. These engines also require more expensive diesel designed for lower emissions.

With older engines, they can just keep rebuilding them and rebuilding them and always be exempt from emissions. Which means they can buy the cheapest dirtiest fuel, not have to deal with emissions tests and staying complaint to government regulated emissions standards.

It makes me feel like no one will make the move unless forced without the move being cheaper.

If you want “green” tech to be successful, it has to be economically viable. Good intentions don’t pay salaries or shareholder dividends.

How you feel about his personality notwithstanding, Elon Musk is doing more to move green tech into the everyday usage than pretty much anyone else on the planet. And he’s doing it by bringing the end user costs down to where they make sense for people to actually choose them.

 

[RenegadeMonster]

“A little bloody, a little muddy, you know how it goes.”

Those are the words of Loveland Police Officer Daria Jalali, said with a smile, after her sergeant asked whether the blood all over hands was her own, or whether it belonged to the 73-year-old disabled woman – Karen Garner – that they had just violently arrested, injured, and hog-tied on the side of the road.

On 4/14/21, civil rights attorney Sarah Schielke of The Life & Liberty Law Office in Loveland, Colorado filed on Plaintiff Karen Garner’s behalf a federal civil rights lawsuit against the Loveland Police Department and officers Austin Hopp, Daria Jalali, and Sergeant Phil Metzler for this outrageous attack and assault. The lawsuit also includes claims for violations of the Americans with Disabilities Act, and claims targeting Loveland’s failures to train regarding the use of force on disabled unarmed citizens.

Ms. Garner is 73 years old and suffers from dementia and sensory aphasia, which impairs her ability to verbally communicate and understand others’ communications. She is five feet tall and weighs 80 pounds. On the afternoon of June 26, 2020, she was walking through a field to her home two blocks away, picking wildflowers, bothering no one, when Officer Hopp pulled up behind her, and called out to her to stop and talk to him. When she indicated she did not understand him, and turned to continue walking home, he grabbed her and violently assaulted her, twisting her arms behind her back, throwing her to the ground and handcuffing her. Just eight seconds passed between Officer Hopp reaching Ms. Garner and Officer Hopp throwing her tiny body to the ground and putting her in handcuffs. Defendant Officer Jalali then arrived and assisted Officer Hopp in violently and needlessly dislocating Ms. Garner’s shoulder, fracturing her humerus, and spraining her wrist. Then they threw her onto the ground again and hog-tied her.

Throughout this attack, the only thing the terrified, disabled and injured Ms. Garner was able to utter was “I’m going home!” She cried out these words over 38 times. What little freedom and happiness Ms. Garner enjoyed in her life as an elderly adult with declining mental health was, on June 26, 2020, obliterated by the Loveland Police Department. She has become withdrawn, depressed, afraid to go outdoors. She has lost most functional use of her left arm and now requires assistance to shower and get dressed. The district attorney’s office completely dismissed the case and charges against her. And despite the entire event being captured on bodyworn cameras, not one officer or supervisor involved in the violations of her civil rights at Loveland has been disciplined. “Ms. Garner’s experience with Loveland Police is not about bad apples,” says her attorney, Sarah Schielke. “It is about culture. And the culture in Loveland is one of lack of care, lack of humility. Loveland Police officers have enrobed themselves with a completely unaccountable authoritarian superiority. They demand total obedience and submission from everyone – including the disabled elderly – and if you don’t immediately capitulate, they will make you pay for it." “This is not community policing. This is community terrorism,” says Schielke. “Ms. Garner is one of the most vulnerable members of our community – a mother, a grandmother, a tiny, frail human with cognitive disabilities – and they treated her like an animal.” “And,” adds Schielke, “if this is what they’re doing to a terrified elderly lady with dementia, what do you think they’re doing to everyone else?” The complete unedited video from Hopp’s bodyworn camera is available at: https://youtu.be/VG0wfPMMR4k


We fore sure need police reform. The police do not know how to handle issues with people who have mental health issues and resort to force time and time again to deal with the situation.

 

[Joe Mac]

If you want “green” tech to be successful, it has to be economically viable. Good intentions don’t pay salaries or shareholder dividends.

How you feel about his personality notwithstanding, Elon Musk is doing more to move green tech into the everyday usage than pretty much anyone else on the planet. And he’s doing it by bringing the end user costs down to where they make sense for people to actually choose them.

I agree with the sentiment. It needs to be more affordable but equally we need to educate people on the benefits of cost across lifespan v upfront initial cost. Same for alternative hearing such as air pumps and off grid micro generation electricity solutions.

Hard disagree on Musk, Tesla are far more expensive than the mass produced electric solutions emerging and his company’s success is based on speculative investment rather than any real returns as of yet.

 

[nolalady]

And it shows how government lead initiatives to green energy and lower emissions failed in this case. And many of the efforts we have made to date have failed.

They are not going to bring about change if they don't force changes and continue to grandfather tons of stuff in. The railroads are not interested in the low emissions green engines because because they cost a lot more in maintenance to continue to operate and stay within emissions standards. If they fail the government emissions test, the engine has to be taken out of service until they meet the proper emissions levels. These engines also require more expensive diesel designed for lower emissions.

With older engines, they can just keep rebuilding them and rebuilding them and always be exempt from emissions. Which means they can buy the cheapest dirtiest fuel, not have to deal with emissions tests and staying complaint to government regulated emissions standards.

It makes me feel like no one will make the move unless forced without the move being cheaper.

Oh, I totally get the rage. But what happens if we move tomorrow to green technology? We can't because it's not ready to replace what we have right now. So we can do two things. We can continue as we are and have white collar designers and engineers disconnect from blue collar mechanics. They can point fingers at each other all day and we'll get no further. OR we can realize that what made the technology we have now meet our needs was through collaborative effort. This is what I'm trying to say. I feel like we have a hard time having real conversations with each other that actually solve problems.

If you want “green” tech to be successful, it has to be economically viable. Good intentions don’t pay salaries or shareholder dividends.

How you feel about his personality notwithstanding, Elon Musk is doing more to move green tech into the everyday usage than pretty much anyone else on the planet. And he’s doing it by bringing the end user costs down to where they make sense for people to actually choose them.

Tesla is only profitable because it sells carbon credits. The cars have yet to make a profit. If the government didn't require companies to be carbon neutral, it wouldn't be profitable. Elon Musk is a false economy on a few levels.

“A little bloody, a little muddy, you know how it goes.”

Those are the words of Loveland Police Officer Daria Jalali, said with a smile, after her sergeant asked whether the blood all over hands was her own, or whether it belonged to the 73-year-old disabled woman – Karen Garner – that they had just violently arrested, injured, and hog-tied on the side of the road.

On 4/14/21, civil rights attorney Sarah Schielke of The Life & Liberty Law Office in Loveland, Colorado filed on Plaintiff Karen Garner’s behalf a federal civil rights lawsuit against the Loveland Police Department and officers Austin Hopp, Daria Jalali, and Sergeant Phil Metzler for this outrageous attack and assault. The lawsuit also includes claims for violations of the Americans with Disabilities Act, and claims targeting Loveland’s failures to train regarding the use of force on disabled unarmed citizens.

Ms. Garner is 73 years old and suffers from dementia and sensory aphasia, which impairs her ability to verbally communicate and understand others’ communications. She is five feet tall and weighs 80 pounds. On the afternoon of June 26, 2020, she was walking through a field to her home two blocks away, picking wildflowers, bothering no one, when Officer Hopp pulled up behind her, and called out to her to stop and talk to him. When she indicated she did not understand him, and turned to continue walking home, he grabbed her and violently assaulted her, twisting her arms behind her back, throwing her to the ground and handcuffing her. Just eight seconds passed between Officer Hopp reaching Ms. Garner and Officer Hopp throwing her tiny body to the ground and putting her in handcuffs. Defendant Officer Jalali then arrived and assisted Officer Hopp in violently and needlessly dislocating Ms. Garner’s shoulder, fracturing her humerus, and spraining her wrist. Then they threw her onto the ground again and hog-tied her.

Throughout this attack, the only thing the terrified, disabled and injured Ms. Garner was able to utter was “I’m going home!” She cried out these words over 38 times. What little freedom and happiness Ms. Garner enjoyed in her life as an elderly adult with declining mental health was, on June 26, 2020, obliterated by the Loveland Police Department. She has become withdrawn, depressed, afraid to go outdoors. She has lost most functional use of her left arm and now requires assistance to shower and get dressed. The district attorney’s office completely dismissed the case and charges against her. And despite the entire event being captured on bodyworn cameras, not one officer or supervisor involved in the violations of her civil rights at Loveland has been disciplined. “Ms. Garner’s experience with Loveland Police is not about bad apples,” says her attorney, Sarah Schielke. “It is about culture. And the culture in Loveland is one of lack of care, lack of humility. Loveland Police officers have enrobed themselves with a completely unaccountable authoritarian superiority. They demand total obedience and submission from everyone – including the disabled elderly – and if you don’t immediately capitulate, they will make you pay for it." “This is not community policing. This is community terrorism,” says Schielke. “Ms. Garner is one of the most vulnerable members of our community – a mother, a grandmother, a tiny, frail human with cognitive disabilities – and they treated her like an animal.” “And,” adds Schielke, “if this is what they’re doing to a terrified elderly lady with dementia, what do you think they’re doing to everyone else?” The complete unedited video from Hopp’s bodyworn camera is available at: https://youtu.be/VG0wfPMMR4k


We fore sure need police reform. The police do not know how to handle issues with people who have mental health issues and resort to force time and time again to deal with the situation.

This scares the hell out of me. I have a child with cognitive delay and I could see him having trouble when encountering police.

 

[RenegadeMonster]

Apparently there was a police incident in Boston yesterday.

Police took over the outside area of an apartment complex for several hours and would not let residence come and go. This apartment complex housed many people of color.

People were not able to leave and go to work. After a few hours residence came out and confronted the police to complain. And tell them they need to go to work. At which point they were tackled and arrested for crossing police lines and interfering in an investigation.

One resident said he is living in poverty, and he doesn't get paid if he doesn't show up to work and can't afford to miss a shift. Another was worried that she wouldn't have a job after missing her shift.

Police were investigating a shooting that occurred outside the apartment complex. It appears to have been gang related and not related to anyone who lived at the apartment complex.

 

[nolalady]

New bill that raises the number of justices from 9 to 13. I'm not sure if this is the way to go, but I know that the democrats have been threatening this for a while.

Congressional Democrats will introduce legislation Thursday to expand the Supreme Court from nine to 13 justices, joining progressive activists pushing to transform the court.

The move intensifies a high-stakes ideological fight over the future of the court after President Donald Trump and Republicans appointed three conservative justices in four years, including one who was confirmed days before the 2020 election.

Democrats to introduce legislation to expand Supreme Court from 9 to 13 justices

President Joe Biden announced the formation of a commission last week to study the court's structure, including the number of justices and their length of service.

www.nbcnews.com

 

[Djxfactor511]

New bill that raises the number of justices from 9 to 13. I'm not sure if this is the way to go, but I know that the democrats have been threatening this for a while.

Congressional Democrats will introduce legislation Thursday to expand the Supreme Court from nine to 13 justices, joining progressive activists pushing to transform the court.

The move intensifies a high-stakes ideological fight over the future of the court after President Donald Trump and Republicans appointed three conservative justices in four years, including one who was confirmed days before the 2020 election.

Democrats to introduce legislation to expand Supreme Court from 9 to 13 justices

President Joe Biden announced the formation of a commission last week to study the court's structure, including the number of justices and their length of service.

www.nbcnews.com

I don't like the expansion of seats personally, but Republicans have no one to blame but themselves. But we all know they won't.