Political Discussion

[nolalady]

Certain there is a sizable portion of democrats who are relieved that Manchin is around to be the scapegoat for them to make absolutely no meaningful change at all.

If I were a conspiracy theorist (which I am not), I have to wonder if Biden didn't ask Manchin to oppose anything progressive so that Biden could ensure his promise to business leaders to have "no substantial change". I would point to the cush job that Biden set Manchin's wife up with, as part of the bribe to make Manchin look like a villain to everyone but his constituents, who are largely conservatives in blue clothing.

Biden taps Sen. Manchin's wife to co-chair Appalachian board

WASHINGTON (AP) — President Joe Biden is nominating Gayle Manchin, the wife of West Virginia Sen. Joe Manchin, to be the co-chair of the Appalachian Regional Commission, an economic development partnership involving the federal government and 13 states.

apnews.com

 

[Dtknuckles]

If I were a conspiracy theorist (which I am not), I have to wonder if Biden didn't ask Manchin to oppose anything progressive so that Biden could ensure his promise to business leaders to have "no substantial change". I would point to the cush job that Biden set Manchin's wife up with, as part of the bribe to make Manchin look like a villain to everyone but his constituents, who are largely conservatives in blue clothing.

Biden taps Sen. Manchin's wife to co-chair Appalachian board

WASHINGTON (AP) — President Joe Biden is nominating Gayle Manchin, the wife of West Virginia Sen. Joe Manchin, to be the co-chair of the Appalachian Regional Commission, an economic development partnership involving the federal government and 13 states.

apnews.com

I wonder how much of this type of thing needs to explicitly said. It doesn’t take a genius to do the type of math with various constituents (people and businesses) in your head. I do think there is some genuine conflict with Manchin and the rest of the Dems and Biden also. I don’t see how much leverage Biden would have by appointing his wife. Once she gets the job she they can just say F off Biden I do what I want. It’s really the constituents that have his feet the to fire.

 

[RenegadeMonster]

Florida becomes the latest Republican controlled state to ban Critical Race Theory. Critical Race Theory teaches school children about systemic racism.

Florida bans teaching critical race theory in schools

Florida has become the latest state to ban critical race theory, continuing the growing charge by Republican lawmakers against schools teaching about systemic racism.

www.cnn.com

Republicans consider CRT to be dangerous and disgusting. That it teaches children that whites surpremisis, our country is bad and our institution is rotten. Some go as far as to say it's "teaching Marxism to school children no matter how you sugar coat it".

Some states have billed it as no race is superior or inferior. So essentially they are turning a blind eye to the issue.

This only goes to show that we have a long way to go on solving racial inequality and systemic racism and that one ideology doesn't want to fix it.

 

[Dtknuckles]

Florida becomes the latest Republican controlled state to ban Critical Race Theory. Critical Race Theory teaches school children about systemic racism.

Florida bans teaching critical race theory in schools

Florida has become the latest state to ban critical race theory, continuing the growing charge by Republican lawmakers against schools teaching about systemic racism.

www.cnn.com

Republicans consider CRT to be dangerous and disgusting. That it teaches children that whites surpremisis, our country is bad and our institution is rotten. Some go as far as to say it's "teaching Marxism to school children no matter how you sugar coat it".

Some states have billed it as no race is superior or inferior. So essentially they are turning a blind eye to the issue.

This only goes to show that we have a long way to go on solving racial inequality and systemic racism and that one ideology doesn't want to fix it.

I wonder where the link between Marxism and CRT was made?

I’m also skeptical about the idea that Marxism leads to communist dictatorship. Was it just an examination of power dynamics in the economy?

 

[RenegadeMonster]

I wonder where the link between Marxism and CRT was made?

I’m also skeptical about the idea that Marxism leads to communist dictatorship. Was it just an examination of power dynamics in the economy?

What critical race theory is really about

Critical race theory is an academic discipline, formulated in the 1990s and built on the intellectual framework of identity-based Marxism.

nypost.com

See this article to see how republicans are linking CRT to Marxism.

 

[Chucktshoes]

I wonder where the link between Marxism and CRT was made?

I’m also skeptical about the idea that Marxism leads to communist dictatorship. Was it just an examination of power dynamics in the economy?

Is Critical Race Theory Rooted in Marxism? Analyzing Primary Sources

 

[Dtknuckles]

What critical race theory is really about

Critical race theory is an academic discipline, formulated in the 1990s and built on the intellectual framework of identity-based Marxism.

nypost.com

See this article to see how republicans are linking CRT to Marxism.

Honestly it’s to be expected from the NY Post, but this article is shit.

 

[jaycee]

Is Critical Race Theory Rooted in Marxism? Analyzing Primary Sources

Edward L. Rubin | The Federalist Society

fedsoc.org

While CRT may have roots in marxist thought, it's not as if these are statements of fact. These are opinions by people with beliefs and agendas too.

 

[Dtknuckles]

Is Critical Race Theory Rooted in Marxism? Analyzing Primary Sources

After a quick skim of some of those quotes it’s just what the Post article is. People saying they are linked rancher than outlining similar ideas or shared Worldview. Granted It was a quick skim.

 

[Dtknuckles]

Edward L. Rubin | The Federalist Society

fedsoc.org

While CRT may have roots in marxist thought, it's not as if these are statements of fact. These are opinions by people with beliefs and agendas too.

It seems that just examining power dynamics between groups in society gets you labeled Marxist

 

[nolalady]

I wonder where the link between Marxism and CRT was made?

I’m also skeptical about the idea that Marxism leads to communist dictatorship. Was it just an examination of power dynamics in the economy?

What critical race theory is really about

Critical race theory is an academic discipline, formulated in the 1990s and built on the intellectual framework of identity-based Marxism.

nypost.com

See this article to see how republicans are linking CRT to Marxism.

I like this article to reference while talking about CRT in schools: What Is Critical Race Theory, and Why Is It Under Attack?

As a parent, I was okay with the "new math" they were teaching my kids, until I saw my kids struggle with it. When I taught them the math the way I had learned it, they got it, no problem. Many parents and parenting groups hate common core, and while this has nothing to do with common core, this is yet another thing they are going to try to change on us to confuse our kids, and tie our teacher's hands behind their back because they are no longer trusted to create lesson plans without the state guidelines. I do genuinely think that many parents that saw how badly common core worked for their kids (especially special needs kids, like my son who is 11 and still has problems reading--and his reading problems were not allowed to really be addressed by the teacher because she was required by the state to cover the same material that regular classes were covering), are really scared of yet another curriculum shakedown.

However, I do think it's necessary and correct to teach children American history with the context that slavery and racism have had and continue to have major impacts on America as a country. The reason America had slavery was because it was profitable and a whole class of white people got rich off of it. The ancestors of those white people may or may not have wealth now, but those descended from slaves never got the benefit of generational wealth. When we start questioning things like generational wealth, and whether profit should really be the only thing we consider, this challenges a lot of people with a lot of power. Anything that questions why shareholder dividends are more important that the environmental concerns, worker safety, or consumer safety, will always get grumbles in places of power. All they really had to do to get parents motivated is to point to common core as the failure that it is (especially for the most vulnerable students).

What gets me annoyed is how half-baked educational concepts are rolled out as the answer to it all, and they backfire (I'm looking at you sight words). I am not opposed to my kids learning about all of this, and we have talked about slavery and how it impacted our history (and the repercussions now). I think it's a necessary piece of knowledge they have. I am opposed to vague laws or "guidance" on how to teach/or not teach this stuff. I think that's the biggest thing with common core--we told our teachers that we didn't trust them to run their own classes and took a lot of power away from them.

 

[jaycee]

It seems that just examining power dynamics between groups in society gets you labeled Marxist

What I don't fully understand is the intention of the Marxist label and why the perceived threat is what it is? I have some idea about how and why Americans make a direct link between social principles and policies being imposed by the state as communism. and then tying communism to Marx... but I don't fully understand the perception of evil associated with the link and at the same time a lack of perception or acceptance of similarly destructive or evil tenets of the American version of democratic-capitalism.

 

[jaycee]

I like this article to reference while talking about CRT in schools: What Is Critical Race Theory, and Why Is It Under Attack?

As a parent, I was okay with the "new math" they were teaching my kids, until I saw my kids struggle with it. When I taught them the math the way I had learned it, they got it, no problem. Many parents and parenting groups hate common core, and while this has nothing to do with common core, this is yet another thing they are going to try to change on us to confuse our kids, and tie our teacher's hands behind their back because they are no longer trusted to create lesson plans without the state guidelines. I do genuinely think that many parents that saw how badly common core worked for their kids (especially special needs kids, like my son who is 11 and still has problems reading--and his reading problems were not allowed to really be addressed by the teacher because she was required by the state to cover the same material that regular classes were covering), are really scared of yet another curriculum shakedown.

However, I do think it's necessary and correct to teach children American history with the context that slavery and racism have had and continue to have major impacts on America as a country. The reason America had slavery was because it was profitable and a whole class of white people got rich off of it. The ancestors of those white people may or may not have wealth now, but those descended from slaves never got the benefit of generational wealth. When we start questioning things like generational wealth, and whether profit should really be the only thing we consider, this challenges a lot of people with a lot of power. Anything that questions why shareholder dividends are more important that the environmental concerns, worker safety, or consumer safety, will always get grumbles in places of power. All they really had to do to get parents motivated is to point to common core as the failure that it is (especially for the most vulnerable students).

What gets me annoyed is how half-baked educational concepts are rolled out as the answer to it all, and they backfire (I'm looking at you sight words). I am not opposed to my kids learning about all of this, and we have talked about slavery and how it impacted our history (and the repercussions now). I think it's a necessary piece of knowledge they have. I am opposed to vague laws or "guidance" on how to teach/or not teach this stuff. I think that's the biggest thing with common core--we told our teachers that we didn't trust them to run their own classes and took a lot of power away from them.

Schools are political theater puppets too

 

[TenderLovingKiller®]

The fact that Critical Race Theory is being discussed and debated only goes to shine a brighter light on the theory as a whole. 5 years ago no one was discussing the issue at all, today a lot more people know of and accept the concept. If they want to pass laws against teaching it in red states that is fine. They weren’t for teaching evolution in schools either. It didn’t make the theory of evolution disappear. It’s not the type of thing that will just be swept under the rug and forgotten about. There will be a whole generation of people that will understand and accept CRT regardless of where it’s thought and that’s a good thing.

 

[Dtknuckles]

What I don't fully understand is the intention of the Marxist label and why the perceived threat is what it is? I have some idea about how and why Americans make a direct link between social principles and policies being imposed by the state as communism. and then tying communism to Marx... but I don't fully understand the perception of evil associated with the link and at the same time a lack of perception or acceptance of similarly destructive or evil tenets of the American version of democratic-capitalism.

It’s funny because the analysis of power dynamics led to both the American revolution and the communist revolution.

 

[Dtknuckles]

I like this article to reference while talking about CRT in schools: What Is Critical Race Theory, and Why Is It Under Attack?

As a parent, I was okay with the "new math" they were teaching my kids, until I saw my kids struggle with it. When I taught them the math the way I had learned it, they got it, no problem. Many parents and parenting groups hate common core, and while this has nothing to do with common core, this is yet another thing they are going to try to change on us to confuse our kids, and tie our teacher's hands behind their back because they are no longer trusted to create lesson plans without the state guidelines. I do genuinely think that many parents that saw how badly common core worked for their kids (especially special needs kids, like my son who is 11 and still has problems reading--and his reading problems were not allowed to really be addressed by the teacher because she was required by the state to cover the same material that regular classes were covering), are really scared of yet another curriculum shakedown.

However, I do think it's necessary and correct to teach children American history with the context that slavery and racism have had and continue to have major impacts on America as a country. The reason America had slavery was because it was profitable and a whole class of white people got rich off of it. The ancestors of those white people may or may not have wealth now, but those descended from slaves never got the benefit of generational wealth. When we start questioning things like generational wealth, and whether profit should really be the only thing we consider, this challenges a lot of people with a lot of power. Anything that questions why shareholder dividends are more important that the environmental concerns, worker safety, or consumer safety, will always get grumbles in places of power. All they really had to do to get parents motivated is to point to common core as the failure that it is (especially for the most vulnerable students).

What gets me annoyed is how half-baked educational concepts are rolled out as the answer to it all, and they backfire (I'm looking at you sight words). I am not opposed to my kids learning about all of this, and we have talked about slavery and how it impacted our history (and the repercussions now). I think it's a necessary piece of knowledge they have. I am opposed to vague laws or "guidance" on how to teach/or not teach this stuff. I think that's the biggest thing with common core--we told our teachers that we didn't trust them to run their own classes and took a lot of power away from them.

How are they gonna ban it when they don’t even know what it is?

 

[Max Sterling]

How are they gonna ban it when they don’t even know what it is?

Bruh, that's conservatism 101.

 

[Dtknuckles]

Bruh, that's conservatism 101.

I see you’ve tried to explain gender to a conservative.

 

[Max Sterling]

I see you’ve tried to explain gender to a conservative.

As a former conservative myself, that's one of many topics I had an opinion on that I had zero clue about. Gender, gay rights, abortion, race issues, politics, taxes... I still don't fully understand most of this, but I'm a lot less opinionated on all of them.

 

[TenderLovingKiller®]

The Onion FTW!

The Onion’s Guide To Critical Race Theory

A mounting effort by some Republican lawmakers to ban the teaching of critical race theory in U.S. schools has prompted debate about what it is and its place in American education. The Onion answers the most common questions about critical race theory and the debate surrounding its teaching.

www.theonion.com