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Texas' governor stated today that he would call a special session over and over again until a quorum is met to pass the voting reform bill.

He has also authorized the arrest of any and every Texas democrat who did not show up to pass the bill and drag them back to perform their job.

This jurisdiction is only within Texas, so that means the Texas democrats can't step foot within Texas for as long as they continue to hold out.

Democrats say they only need to hold out until September 1st. Abbott created his own problems by defunding the legislator. By defunding it, come September 1st, there will be no staff, no paid employees, no nothing. So it will be impossible to do any work after September 1st.

So it looks like the democrats plan to hold out to September 1st.


All experts say this bid to block the voter suppression bill will fail. It will eventually pass. All they are doing right now is delaying the bill for now.



Again I ask. Why is it so easy for the GOP to essentially block anything they want to obstruct, but it's always seemingly impossible for the Dems to block any of their legislation.
 
RenegadeMonster said:
Again I ask. Why is it so easy for the GOP to essentially block anything they want to obstruct, but it's always seemingly impossible for the Dems to block any of their legislation.
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It works both ways. If you live in Oregon or Washington you see the other side of the coin. In fact…

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Oregon Republicans are still on the lam to avoid voting on a major climate change bill

"Send bachelors and come heavily armed," one Republican state senator warned police.
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Wow, just wow at this. The GOP truly is devious to achieve their agenda.

They found a way around the 6 week fetal heartbeat ban so that the law is not unconstitutional and won't be blocked by courts.

This is because the state will not be enforcing the ban and those receiving an abortion are not being targeted.

Under this recently passed senate bill that goes into effect September 1st, Texas law allows anyone, anywhere, for any reason to sue anyone who aids and abets with providing an abortion once a fetal heartbeat is detected. However, the law is so vague it could apply to family members giving moral support or money to help with an abortion as well as any nurse or healthcare provider performing/assisting with the abortion. It could also apply to a priest a person talks to for advice. The law also comes with a $10,000 reward for anyone who is successfully able to sue.

So this mean any anti-abortion group in the country, or person who is against abortion from another state could sue people that help provide abortions or support friends or family members in their decision of getting an abortion in the state of Texas.

This type of law has not existed before and has not been challenged. So it will likely be an effective tool for detering abortions for years to come until a SCOTUS decision is made on this.

It sounds like the end game here is to make it financially impossible for healthcare providers to provide abortions creating an abortion dessert. Not to mention the threat of your own family of being sued.
 
RenegadeMonster said:
So it will likely be an effective tool for detering abortions for years to come until a SCOTUS decision is made on this.
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Nah, What will happen is someone will sue to prevent the law from going into effect, and a lower court will issue a stay until the courts have made a decision in the validity of the law. Eventually the bill will likely be found to be unconstitutional (the whole thing sounds spurious to begin with as I don’t know how anyone not directly involved within the case would have standing to sue a doctor, patient, healthcare provider, etc…. It would be equivalent to allowing me to sue a doctor for malpractice on a stranger.). Most of the times bills of this nature are found to be unconstitutional but they are fodder for The Right (and TBH, The Left as well) to raise money. Obviously, anytime there is a bill restricting a woman’s right to choose it needs to be be vigorously defended but I would be shocked if this ended up as a law on the books ever in Texas.

And would ya look at that; a suit was already filed…
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Abortion rights groups sue to block Texas law allowing citizens to sue providers

Unlike other states' laws, Texas' ban would be enforced through private citizens' lawsuits against abortion providers, not by the state government.
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RenegadeMonster said:


Wow, just wow at this. The GOP truly is devious to achieve their agenda.

They found a way around the 6 week fetal heartbeat ban so that the law is not unconstitutional and won't be blocked by courts.

This is because the state will not be enforcing the ban and those receiving an abortion are not being targeted.

Under this recently passed senate bill that goes into effect September 1st, Texas law allows anyone, anywhere, for any reason to sue anyone who aids and abets with providing an abortion once a fetal heartbeat is detected. However, the law is so vague it could apply to family members giving moral support or money to help with an abortion as well as any nurse or healthcare provider performing/assisting with the abortion. It could also apply to a priest a person talks to for advice. The law also comes with a $10,000 reward for anyone who is successfully able to sue.

So this mean any anti-abortion group in the country, or person who is against abortion from another state could sue people that help provide abortions or support friends or family members in their decision of getting an abortion in the state of Texas.

This type of law has not existed before and has not been challenged. So it will likely be an effective tool for detering abortions for years to come until a SCOTUS decision is made on this.

It sounds like the end game here is to make it financially impossible for healthcare providers to provide abortions creating an abortion dessert. Not to mention the threat of your own family of being sued.
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Exactly what @TenderLovingKiller® said. This is such a bad law that it's going to have to be challenged. It seems almost impossible to actually implement and anyone that did would have to have the sort of proof that they can only get with medical evidence. And I would seriously question if they had any right to that evidence if they are not the individual being treated or the doctor treating them. Otherwise this becomes a game of he said/she said.
 
nolalady said:
I'm the worst at remembering desert vs dessert until someone told me that desserts are just stressed spelled backwards. This resonated with me.
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when I was little, my mama would say "you want two of one!" to remember the double s.

realistic or not, I've been feeling sick to my stomach since this first entered discussion months ago. I think I mentioned it in here.

the fights and protests at the Capitol are never ending (over this and such much more bullshit,) and I am so tired of feeling like I need to leave the home I love for my sanity. anyone in a friendlier clime wanna adopt a stray bfly for a little while?
 
bfly said:
when I was little, my mama would say "you want two of one!" to remember the double s.

realistic or not, I've been feeling sick to my stomach since this first entered discussion months ago. I think I mentioned it in here.

the fights and protests at the Capitol are never ending (over this and such much more bullshit,) and I am so tired of feeling like I need to leave the home I love for my sanity. anyone in a friendlier clime wanna adopt a stray bfly for a little while?
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You can stay in the basement. There is a mini fridge and a ping pong table however you’re on your own when it comes to a bathroom. Also, I hope you don’t mind spiders.
 
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bfly said:
when I was little, my mama would say "you want two of one!" to remember the double s.

realistic or not, I've been feeling sick to my stomach since this first entered discussion months ago. I think I mentioned it in here.

the fights and protests at the Capitol are never ending (over this and such much more bullshit,) and I am so tired of feeling like I need to leave the home I love for my sanity. anyone in a friendlier clime wanna adopt a stray bfly for a little while?
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I feel you, B.
I got off of FB last year and it helped immensely, but I just cannot watch all of the social cohesion that we used to have completely unravel into stunts and swindles. I'm glad to have both NOLA and Baton Rouge to influence our governing here, but once John Bell is out, people are going to elect a Republican--this is our pattern; the time after that, we'll go for the Democrat. So while we haven't really shown our butts to the nation lately, just wait until we get a proper GOP candidate in power.
 
TenderLovingKiller® said:
Also, I know Greg Abbott is terrible but compared to the Texas Lieutenant Governor and Texas Attorney General (the two people most likely to become Governor once Abbott leaves office) he comes off as almost a moderate (though only by Texas GOP standards).
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they are all fucking criminals. in the case of the AG, literally a criminal.

Abbott is a run-of-the-mill moneygrubbing asshole, but all sides have known that ever since he came into power and immediately changed the very laws that allowed him to sue and get $$$$$$$ after his accident. he keeps leaning Trumpier to hold his seat.

he is calling repeat special sessions for what- the rebuilding efforts our economy and schools are facing? the rural uptick in covid where there is no healthcare? the power grid that has failed and will fail again? nope, only his priorities get time- restricting voting, restricting women's rights, restricting trans rights. fuck- he even changed laws protecting heritage trees so he could tear down some when building a new home a few years back. he has always transparently ruled by following the $ or his personal whims.

far right, moderate, yellow dogs- no mistaking that its always corporations over citizens in the end. the losers are all constituents in the state.
 
aaand although I don't think they really have the power, the Texas House just approved arrest warrants for their peers that fled to DC.

fun.
 
bfly said:
aaand although I don't think they really have the power, the Texas House just approved arrest warrants for their peers that fled to DC.

fun.
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In Oregon when GOP State Reps fled to avoid a quorum on an Cap & Trade Pollution bill the Governor Kate Brown had the OR State Troopers attempt to apprehend some of the reps and bring them back to the Statehouse. Obviously their authority ends at the state lines however.
 
Yeah, they don't have jurisdiction when stay out of the state. They can only arrest them if they set foot back into the state, or any one still in state caught fleeing.

So it effectively means, the dems have to stay out of Texas now until this standoff is over.
 
A solution to the issue that both Oregon and Texas are facing right now would be legislation that states that failure to attend a legislative session with the intention of preventing quorum will be considered abandonment of duties and resignation of their seat resulting in a vacancy that can be filled through appointment by the governor. This would prevent grandstanding pricks from pulling this kind of trick in the future.

On the other hand, my suggestion of the yardarm will forever stand.
 
Chucktshoes said:
A solution to the issue that both Oregon and Texas are facing right now would be legislation that states that failure to attend a legislative session with the intention of preventing quorum will be considered abandonment of duties and resignation of their seat resulting in a vacancy that can be filled through appointment by the governor. This would prevent grandstanding pricks from pulling this kind of trick in the future.

On the other hand, my suggestion of the yardarm will forever stand.
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If this also applies to republican senators using the filibuster to block obstruct all democratic bills / agenda then I'm all for it.

Otherwise, nope. Nope nope nope nope.
 
RenegadeMonster said:
If this also applies to republican senators using the filibuster to block obstruct all democratic bills / agenda then I'm all for it.

Otherwise, nope. Nope nope nope nope.
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A filibuster is not the same thing as absence to prevent quorum. In addition, I am speaking of matters pertaining to individual state legislatures. The construction of the federal legislature and how its members are chosen is very different than how it is done at a state level.

However, my suggestion of the yardarm does apply equally to all parties at all levels of government.
 
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