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TenderLovingKiller® said:
Also, this is always the threat when negotiations a new labor contract. Deere floats stuff like this out to press in hopes that it will drive up support for their next offer. There are lots in of quality tractor manufacturers, part of the reason John Deere is the most popular manufacturer in the US is because they still make tractors in the US. If they were to close up shop and move elsewhere they would severely damage their brand image. I understand their is lots of other countries that buy farm equipment but The US still has some of the worlds best farmland and wealthiest consumer base.

My grandpa preferred his Deutz-Allis tractor anyhow.
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It’s all about the Massey Ferguson’s over here. Only rich farmers had a John Deere!

This will make you laugh. A lady I work with used to be a teacher. She was working in a rural school and saw a bunch of 15 year old lads looking at a magazine under their desk and went to confiscate it fearing the worst. It was a tractor catalogue…
 
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Joe Mac said:
It’s all about the Massey Ferguson’s over here. Only rich farmers had a John Deere!

This will make you laugh. A lady I work with used to be a teacher. She was working in a rural school and saw a bunch of 15 year old lads looking at a magazine under there desk and went to confiscate it fearing the worst. It was a tractor catalogue…
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Hubba Hubba! Check out the threshing rasp bar cylinders on this! What a beaut!
 
Instagram is banning victims who call out people publically for threatening them or their families, being bigots, racists are homophobic.

A bunch of posts from Influencers I follow called this out and how bad Facebook is.

For example, one influencer said people sent her and her family death threats and threatened to expose her family. She reported the DM's over and over again but nothing ever seemed to be done.

She got fed up with it, and made a post about it and included a collage of screenshotted DMs to bring awareness on this and highlight Instagrams / Zuckerberg's lack of taking action.

He post was taken down in less than 15 minutes and as a influencer she was banned from monetizing any shape or form on the platform through February. Meaning she can't post sponsored posts/ videos.

She has no prior bans or community guidelines violations. Instagram said her post violated community guidelines and contained violence. Stuff that was all screenshot that was sent to her...

There is no way to appeal the ban. There is no way to get in touch with anyone at Instagram / Facebook / Meta about this.

Other influencers chimed in and talked about who they too were banned for publicly calling people out and the lack of action Instagram takes over stuff people send in DM's.

Whether it's guys sending nasty stuff to girls, or any one of the topics I mentioned above. Publically calling it out in a post, video or story always ends up with Instagram taking swift action.

The influencers say it's about Zuck trying to control the narrative. Others say they are protecting the wrong people. Protecting the abusers from the victims publically calling them out.
 
RenegadeMonster said:
Instagram is banning victims who call out people publically for threatening them or their families, being bigots, racists are homophobic.

A bunch of posts from Influencers I follow called this out and how bad Facebook is.

For example, one influencer said people sent her and her family death threats and threatened to expose her family. She reported the DM's over and over again but nothing ever seemed to be done.

She got fed up with it, and made a post about it and included a collage of screenshotted DMs to bring awareness on this and highlight Instagrams / Zuckerberg's lack of taking action.

He post was taken down in less than 15 minutes and as a influencer she was banned from monetizing any shape or form on the platform through February. Meaning she can't post sponsored posts/ videos.

She has no prior bans or community guidelines violations. Instagram said her post violated community guidelines and contained violence. Stuff that was all screenshot that was sent to her...

There is no way to appeal the ban. There is no way to get in touch with anyone at Instagram / Facebook / Meta about this.

Other influencers chimed in and talked about who they too were banned for publicly calling people out and the lack of action Instagram takes over stuff people send in DM's.

Whether it's guys sending nasty stuff to girls, or any one of the topics I mentioned above. Publically calling it out in a post, video or story always ends up with Instagram taking swift action.

The influencers say it's about Zuck trying to control the narrative. Others say they are protecting the wrong people. Protecting the abusers from the victims publically calling them out.
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This sounds like a tick being upset that the rabid raccoon it’s feeding off is eating garbage then when the raccoon flicks them away, the tick complains that it’s hurting their livelyhood.
 
RenegadeMonster said:
Instagram is banning victims who call out people publically for threatening them or their families, being bigots, racists are homophobic.

A bunch of posts from Influencers I follow called this out and how bad Facebook is.

For example, one influencer said people sent her and her family death threats and threatened to expose her family. She reported the DM's over and over again but nothing ever seemed to be done.

She got fed up with it, and made a post about it and included a collage of screenshotted DMs to bring awareness on this and highlight Instagrams / Zuckerberg's lack of taking action.

He post was taken down in less than 15 minutes and as a influencer she was banned from monetizing any shape or form on the platform through February. Meaning she can't post sponsored posts/ videos.

She has no prior bans or community guidelines violations. Instagram said her post violated community guidelines and contained violence. Stuff that was all screenshot that was sent to her...

There is no way to appeal the ban. There is no way to get in touch with anyone at Instagram / Facebook / Meta about this.

Other influencers chimed in and talked about who they too were banned for publicly calling people out and the lack of action Instagram takes over stuff people send in DM's.

Whether it's guys sending nasty stuff to girls, or any one of the topics I mentioned above. Publically calling it out in a post, video or story always ends up with Instagram taking swift action.

The influencers say it's about Zuck trying to control the narrative. Others say they are protecting the wrong people. Protecting the abusers from the victims publically calling them out.
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This is incredibly similar to the FansOnly issues earlier this year when they were going to stop with the pornographic content. Enough of these FansOnly content creators dropped their channels that FO had to completely reverse course because they were losing too many content creators. If these people want to monetize their social media, they need to be more selective in the social media accounts they have, because these platforms owe their users nothing. And if they are really serious about sending a message to IG, they will start calling for content creators to move to a different platform. The only thing that motivates FB is money.
 
nolalady said:
This is incredibly similar to the FansOnly issues earlier this year when they were going to stop with the pornographic content. Enough of these FansOnly content creators dropped their channels that FO had to completely reverse course because they were losing too many content creators. If these people want to monetize their social media, they need to be more selective in the social media accounts they have, because these platforms owe their users nothing. And if they are really serious about sending a message to IG, they will start calling for content creators to move to a different platform. The only thing that motivates FB is money.
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And that makes it problematic that more and more of our public discourse is based on Instagram, Facebook , Twitter and similar platforms. I am both really sad about Trump losing his soap box there but it is highly troublesome that a bunch of tech billionaires are becoming the gatekeepers of public debates. Plus, as in the example cited in the posts, a lot of influencers act are extremely economically dependant on the platforms which makes self-censorship likely if opinions are not in accordance with the ones the platforms rulers set
 
Jan said:
And that makes it problematic that more and more of our public discourse is based on Instagram, Facebook , Twitter and similar platforms. I am both really sad about Trump losing his soap box there but it is highly troublesome that a bunch of tech billionaires are becoming the gatekeepers of public debates. Plus, as in the example cited in the posts, a lot of influencers act are extremely economically dependant on the platforms which makes self-censorship likely if opinions are not in accordance with the ones the platforms rulers set
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Not only are they extremely dependant, but they are required to use Facebook's platform for monetizing. When Instagram first launch influencers came to be organically. And could be paid to make a post about a product outside of Facebook's platform.

Now that is against community guidelines and will get you banned if caught. Also shoutouts and the alike are expressly forbidden outside of sponsored posts as they help with organic growth.

In addition organic growth is not possible. Instagram has rate limits on the number of views, likes, follows you can get. If you don't pay to get the traffic and monetize your posts, you will be rate limited and shadow banned. (Shadow bans are a soft ban where your content does not show up on people's feeds).

So this leaves influencers completely dependant on paying for and using Facebook's platform for Monetization and having their posts seen on people's feeds if they have a couple thousand followers or more. The rate limits are like something like 200 links for follows per 24 hour period.

@nolalady In my opinion this differs from what happened with OnlyFans. OnlyFans was going to change their community guidelines.

With instagram, community guidelines are not being enforced / targeting the right people. The people that violate the community guidelines rarely have action taken against them when they threaten or harass people over DMs or post any racist or anti LGBTQ content.

However, those that publically call out Instagram for not taking action get their posts taken down. The violation of the community guidelines given is the content of the post, the bad behavior they are calling out, (screenshots of what was sent to them), is what is in violation of the community guidelines. Not calling out Facebook / Instagram as there is no guideline against that.

The difference here is Facebook appears to be trying to protect their image. If someone with 100 thousand followers publically posts about their inaction they are quick to find a reason to take it down and issue bans.

Kind of slimy if you ask me. The screenshotted material that was sent to them is against community guidelines due to its content. But they never seem to take action against the individual who actually sent it if they don't have a large following and the material wasn't posted publicly.
 
RenegadeMonster said:
Not only are they extremely dependant, but they are required to use Facebook's platform for monetizing. When Instagram first launch influencers came to be organically. And could be paid to make a post about a product outside of Facebook's platform.

Now that is against community guidelines and will get you banned if caught. Also shoutouts and the alike are expressly forbidden outside of sponsored posts as they help with organic growth.

In addition organic growth is not possible. Instagram has rate limits on the number of views, likes, follows you can get. If you don't pay to get the traffic and monetize your posts, you will be rate limited and shadow banned. (Shadow bans are a soft ban where your content does not show up on people's feeds).

So this leaves influencers completely dependant on paying for and using Facebook's platform for Monetization and having their posts seen on people's feeds if they have a couple thousand followers or more. The rate limits are like something like 200 links for follows per 24 hour period.

@nolalady In my opinion this differs from what happened with OnlyFans. OnlyFans was going to change their community guidelines.

With instagram, community guidelines are not being enforced / targeting the right people. The people that violate the community guidelines rarely have action taken against them when they threaten or harass people over DMs or post any racist or anti LGBTQ content.

However, those that publically call out Instagram for not taking action get their posts taken down. The violation of the community guidelines given is the content of the post, the bad behavior they are calling out, (screenshots of what was sent to them), is what is in violation of the community guidelines. Not calling out Facebook / Instagram as there is no guideline against that.

The difference here is Facebook appears to be trying to protect their image. If someone with 100 thousand followers publically posts about their inaction they are quick to find a reason to take it down and issue bans.

Kind of slimy if you ask me. The screenshotted material that was sent to them is against community guidelines due to its content. But they never seem to take action against the individual who actually sent it if they don't have a large following and the material wasn't posted publicly.
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Though FansOnly changed their guidelines suddenly, I still think this example applies simply to illustrate that these companies have no obligation to content creators to do anything for or against them. If you want to be a content creator on these platforms, they can (and will) ban you for any reason, or none at all, at any time. If you solely rely on these platforms for income, you might want to diversify your portfolio a little more and realize that any social media that relies on algorithms to steer traffic is a double edged sword. In the example above, the content creator *did* break the rules by reposting the DMs full of language that is banned on the site.

The only way to stop all of this from happening is for people to stop putting their content up on these sites and direct their content into other social media. FB + IG is a private company, and the best way to get through to a private company is to not use their products. This company has no obligation to anyone, including society, to ban, limit or censor anything or anyone. Now, to @Jan's point that more and more public discourse is happening on these platforms, that's something different, and we, as a society, need to decide what sort of tools we should take with us moving forward. Should there even be a steward/moderator for this discourse if everyone is allowed equal say? And what sort of rules should their be when talking about humans and their interaction with algorithms and AI? I read a great article that suggested that the most important thing about everything coming out with FB and their algorithm, is that this was humanity's first large scale experiment with AI algorithms, and we failed it completely. Now, we can sit around lamenting about what went wrong, or we can look at the data and talk about how to fix it so that it is not harmful to humans.
 


It's true. If you want to live by yourself there is no housing that could be considered affordable. Unless you are in the top 10% living alone essentially means you are living above your means.

Housing is priced for dual income to maximize profits for landlords.

You either need a roommate of being living with a SO to be living within your means. Otherwise like the women in the video says. You are being punished. You can't get ahead and fall behind your piers in savings and wealth.
 
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'We've seen civility really downslide': GOP congressman on threatening voicemail — CNN Politics

Anderson Cooper talks with Republican Rep. Fred Upton about the threatening voicemail he received after voting for the bipartisan infrastructure bill.
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A GOP congressman got a threatening voicemail after voting for the Infrastructure Bill.

It's sad we are at a point where if you break party lines and try to make something bipartisan for a portion of your pase your a traitor / commited treason.
 
nolalady said:
Absolutely not.
I've been reading about them going to "net zero" and that's just a load of BS. Basically, these corporations and governments realize that the real answer is that we can't make and have so much stuff, but that would be awful for the way we currently structure our economy. So they are working on taking a few processes in these factories and make them greener, so they can continue to pollute during the raw mineral extraction phase of production or they burn gas or coal to keep the production lines running.

I feel like we have gone too far in this paradigm and our rationalizing is becoming absurd. The problem is that capitalism and pollution go hand in hand. Currently, each generation needs to replace itself plus some to keep countries "economically competitive" and consuming things keeps everything going. However, the best thing for the planet is fewer humans and less consumption. There is no way to marry the two. It doesn't matter how many carbon credits you buy, the planet doesn't accept our money.


Here in LA we don't have local elections until Saturday (which I like much better).

The most important elections to vote in are local elections!!! Go out and vote everyone!
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Well it was actually even more depressing than I thought it would be. They couldn’t even agree to lie about doing what needs to be done. Let’s all just sit back and pretend everything is just hunky dory as the planet burns.
 
Joe Mac said:
Well it was actually even more depressing than I thought it would be. They couldn’t even agree to lie about doing what needs to be done. Let’s all just sit back and pretend everything is just hunky dory as the planet burns.
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God forbid we cut into profits, or tell someone that they have or consume too much.

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While "large emitters such as China, Saudi Arabia, and Russia had tried to remove the mention of polluting fuels" but were unsuccessful, Agence France-Presse reports, the European Union, United States, and United Kingdom won the exclusion of a specific finance facility for "loss and damage" that poor countries have demanded, outraging climate activists.

"We urge developing countries to act in the interest of their citizens and stand strong in the face of bullies," said Climate Action Network (CAN) executive director Tasneem Essop, declaring that "the latest draft text from COP26 is a clear betrayal by rich nations—the U.S., the E.U., and the U.K.—of vulnerable communities in poor countries."

Essop argued that by blocking the creation of a Glasgow Loss and Damage Finance Facility—proposed by the Alliance of Small Island States, the Group of 77, and China, collectively representing six billion people—"rich countries have once again demonstrated their complete lack of solidarity and responsibility to protect those facing the worst of the climate impacts."

That message was echoed by several other campaigners, including CAN South Asia director Sanjay Vashist, who said that for the people of his region, which "is being slammed by climate-induced disasters every day, COP 26 was indeed the last chance to find [a] permanent solution to the climate crisis."

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With COP26 in Overtime, Draft Deal Denounced as 'Clear Betrayal by Rich Nations' | Common Dreams

"Instead of funding for loss and damage, what we have is yet another greenwash that will ensure genocide by extreme weather events in developing countries."
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RenegadeMonster said:
And Kyle Rittenhouse was found not guilty on all charges...
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I've had weeks to watch this trial go so completely pear-shaped yet it's still a surprise just how furious I am. The fury's giving in to fear; I don't want to think how emboldened people are to learn that "taking an automatic weapon across state lines murdering multiple innocent people in the name of 'protecting businesses'" is legally defensible behavior.

Not to mention how delegitimizing this feels for the Black Lives Matter protests last year; it casts protest as unacceptable, dangerous behavior. It's perfectly okay to flip a car when your team wins the championship, but breaking a window in an act of civil disobedience makes your life forfeit.
 
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