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Rittenhouse will fuck up again, it’s written on his face. I can’t imagine he’ll have a meaningful life outside any hyper-conservative area, he is tainted for life.
 
The last month or so I have gotten several mailers about how to apply for aid.

Posts cards from non-profits saying "you have probably noticed how the price of groceries has gone up" and advertising help applying for SNAP benefits. The city of Salem has sent out 3 letters as well. Two on rent assistance and another on food.

I have never seen social safety nets advertised and pushed like this before. What wild times.
 
Djxfactor511 said:
Interesting thread re: Rittenhouse I just read thanks to Peter Sagal.

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I get that lawyers are gonna lawyer but this whole “well actually…” type thread doesn’t offer much solace and feels a bit masterbatory. I feel he is likely correct about the way he interpreted the law, prosecution, and trial but also wrong is wrong. If Rittenhouse wasn’t there everyone would still be alive. If Rittenhouse didn’t have a gun everyone protesting that night would still be alive. The fact that the law favor the gun toting white supremacist over protestors is obviously the issue, no multi-post thread explanation required.
 
TenderLovingKiller® said:
The fact that the law favor the gun toting white supremacist over protestors is obviously the issue, no multi-post thread explanation required.
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I agree 100% that the laws are the issue, but I disagree that an explanation is not required, at least for some.

I've seen so many in my progressive circles aimed solely on the trial itself, whether it be Rittenhouse, the judge, or the shoddy prosecution. It's that misfocused attention amplified over and over again that causes reactions from the opposite side of the spectrum. Under the law, good or not, Rittenhouse is innocent, and further "punishing" an innocent kid in their eyes is ignoring the rule of law (red flag). Enter Gaetz, etc. taking advantage of the easy opportunity and further entrenching that audience and hurting our chances (albeit slim already for WI) in reforming the system of law that allowed it in the first place.

So "well, actually" threads like this IMO serve a purpose in letting folks know that, yes, we should be angry at this whole event, but let's not lose focus at the reason why it was possible, because that is way more important then a single crybaby murderer. It's a big picture, little picture argument.
 
Djxfactor511 said:
I agree 100% that the laws are the issue, but I disagree that an explanation is not required, at least for some.

I've seen so many in my progressive circles aimed solely on the trial itself, whether it be Rittenhouse, the judge, or the shoddy prosecution. It's that misfocused attention amplified over and over again that causes reactions from the opposite side of the spectrum. Under the law, good or not, Rittenhouse is innocent, and further "punishing" an innocent kid in their eyes is ignoring the rule of law (red flag). Enter Gaetz, etc. taking advantage of the easy opportunity and further entrenching that audience and hurting our chances (albeit slim already for WI) in reforming the system of law that allowed it in the first place.

So "well, actually" threads like this IMO serve a purpose in letting folks know that, yes, we should be angry at this whole event, but let's not lose focus at the reason why it was possible, because that is way more important then a single crybaby murderer. It's a big picture, little picture argument.
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Yeah, I guess maybe I am giving most folks that are outraged by the outcome the benefit of the doubt that they aren’t looking at this issue myopically. I figured that outside the friends, family and loved ones of the victims, the reason most are upset by verdict has more to do with systemic unfairness baked into with the legal system. I probably just follow too many lawyers on Twitter.
 
Djxfactor511 said:
I agree 100% that the laws are the issue, but I disagree that an explanation is not required, at least for some.

I've seen so many in my progressive circles aimed solely on the trial itself, whether it be Rittenhouse, the judge, or the shoddy prosecution. It's that misfocused attention amplified over and over again that causes reactions from the opposite side of the spectrum. Under the law, good or not, Rittenhouse is innocent, and further "punishing" an innocent kid in their eyes is ignoring the rule of law (red flag). Enter Gaetz, etc. taking advantage of the easy opportunity and further entrenching that audience and hurting our chances (albeit slim already for WI) in reforming the system of law that allowed it in the first place.

So "well, actually" threads like this IMO serve a purpose in letting folks know that, yes, we should be angry at this whole event, but let's not lose focus at the reason why it was possible, because that is way more important then a single crybaby murderer. It's a big picture, little picture argument.
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I think the big explainer threads ignore what people are actually complaining about, which is the rigging of the system in favor of white supremacy. Of course the system is working as designed, that's the whole point. Meanwhile, we assassinated a man on the opposite side of a similar situation, because it isn't about Rittenhouse or Reinoehl, it's that ultimately it's legal to execute people who seek to dismantle the the oppressive systems that govern us.
 
I dunno. I get that from that angle it looks like self defense. But why was he there? Why did he bring a gun? Was he even allowed to have that gun? His actions were prepared, premeditated. He was there to do what he did.

To purposefully put yourself into a situation that may in your mind require lethal action doesn't sound like self defense. It's vigilantism.

Let's say a 17 year old kid hears about some illegal street racing the next state over, so he thinks to himself "I'll borrow my friends dope ass fast car and go over there and try and stop these illegal street races" at some point one of these street racers almost hits him while racing, so he does a pit maneuver and the street racer dies. Would the "self defense" defense still work? Or was it reckless driving that caused a death.

Whether the death was intentional or unintentional it was Rittenhouse's very illegal decisions that put him in that position.

I feel like there's a "spirit of the law" issue here.

But I'm not a lawyer and I'm admittedly very pissed off by this entire situation.
 
There were decisions made about what charges to pursue and therein lies the potentially veiled rigging. If they really wanted Rittenhouse to go down there were charges to pursue that would have successfully put him behind bars. The prosecution being laughably incompetent and pursuing pie in the sky charges is arguably by design.
 
debianlinux said:
There were decisions made about what charges to pursue and therein lies the potentially veiled rigging. If they really wanted Rittenhouse to go down there were charges to pursue that would have successfully put him behind bars. The prosecution being laughably incompetent and pursuing pie in the sky charges is arguably by design.
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Yep. This is where I am at. This was not a flaw.
 
RenegadeMonster said:
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Interesting. Can't say I'm not surprised though.
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I've been seeing this trend of people who are unqualified for positions regularly get them because it seems that money can now buy you anything, including a staff that you can blame crap on when things don't go right.
 
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