Wait? Is this the Fire Festival?
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Barry Lird
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all this stuff around Shadow inc. (the creator of the Iowa Caucus app) being founded by 2016 Clinton campaign staffers and funded by both Biden's and Butigieg's campaigns is very fishy....
NateOEB
Well-Known Member
Yeah, just a tweet that made me laugh. Equivalent messes/PR nightmares and all that.
Bull Shannon
Well-Known Member
I hate how this feels like a depressing bungle at best and a Shadowy conspiracy at worst.
Phaneronic
Well-Known Member
Good time to crack this out again. I wonder if there's a way to request use of a paper ballot.
Nee Lewman
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The campaign releasing this actually makes me reconsider whether I want to support Bernie at all. It’s a smarmy move and not helpful right now.
Jan
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Truly Secure Voting Is on the Way
Unfortunately, it won’t be here by 2020
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wokeupnew
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All campaigns do it. Bernie released his own app to keep track of results since they had caucus heads in each district. I’m not saying they’re official, but if the two totals don’t add up within a reasonable margin of error someone is wrong.
I think this whole debauchery is going to make Iowa pretty meaningless regardless who wins and how close it was. The real campaigns will begin in NH since they don’t do a caucus.
Jorduck
New Member
I don't really see an issue with it. Buttigieg's campaign did the same thing, and he declared victory (which he's now backtracked on apparently?) with 0% of the vote officially reported. I'm sure Warren or Biden's campaign would've done the exact same thing if their internal results showed them ahead. All of the campaigns will do whatever they can to win. Publicly declaring yourself the winner without full results is worse imo.
Nee Lewman
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I don’t have a problem with the comparison thing. I have a problem with the releasing it amidst the complications.
DownIsTheNewUp
Well-Known Member
He had to because Pete went and declared victory on national television which sent the momentum of the news cycle spinning.
AND Pete did the same thing WITHOUT including other candidate's numbers.
Jorduck
New Member
Fair enough, I understand your view. I just don't think there was any way it was going to end up differently. The fiasco around the app/phone issues/etc is, obviously, about as far away from an ideal process as possible.
Phaneronic
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That's interesting but I still don't trust that. How do you verify for yourself that a given machine is running the exact code it claims to be? How do you know the votes stored on that machine/server make it to the actual count? I realize elections will always be on some level trust-dependent but it's hard not to trust a piece of paper that you yourself have written on.Truly Secure Voting Is on the Way
Unfortunately, it won’t be here by 2020
I'm actually quite surprised by the results reported so far. Only 71% of precincts have reported, but Buttigieg has the lead. And Biden is in 4th.
I would have thought it would have been close between Biden and Sanders. It's not.
I never expected Buttigieg to preform so well either.
I would have thought it would have been close between Biden and Sanders. It's not.
I never expected Buttigieg to preform so well either.
bfly
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so Iowa does not really have that many delegates, and they have historically been more important for the race boost they give those who do well there- affirmation, media attention, the ability to say, "see, I can win!"
with this fumble, I feel like it further knocks against the importance of the Iowa kickoff. the attention is on the debacle and not the Iowa boost- which I don't think is the worst thing. the makeup of the voter populace in Iowa increasingly does not match the face of the modern Democratic party- and while I know this is changing AND their voice is still very important, I think it skews perceptions more. same for NH, for that matter.
with this fumble, I feel like it further knocks against the importance of the Iowa kickoff. the attention is on the debacle and not the Iowa boost- which I don't think is the worst thing. the makeup of the voter populace in Iowa increasingly does not match the face of the modern Democratic party- and while I know this is changing AND their voice is still very important, I think it skews perceptions more. same for NH, for that matter.
Phaneronic
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I'm supposed to hate politics! Not that I don't continue to, but what the hell's happened to me?
Anyone see the video that has gone viral of the women finding out that Buttigieg is gay?
She voted for him in the Iowa Caucus and had no idea that he was the only openly gay candidate. She was completely aghast with herself after learning this and having voted for him.
It became clear she was homophobic and this would have changed her vote had she known.
But what my take really is out of this is people really don't know that much about the candidates they vote for. And that's scary. People are not making voting decisions on their best interest.
She voted for him in the Iowa Caucus and had no idea that he was the only openly gay candidate. She was completely aghast with herself after learning this and having voted for him.
It became clear she was homophobic and this would have changed her vote had she known.
But what my take really is out of this is people really don't know that much about the candidates they vote for. And that's scary. People are not making voting decisions on their best interest.