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avecigrec said:
Boots on the ground all but guarantees nuclear escalation.
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Joe Mac said:
Does a cease fire achieve anything other than Russia annexing more of Ukraine and then returning in 4 or 5 years to finish the job? American boots on the ground is an actual American declaration of war on Russia. I don’t think that American and Russian soldiers were engaged in direct warfare even at the height of the Cold War? It’s such a dicey situation right now.
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I don’t really know what the answer is, but our leaders seem to be okay with regular people being expendable, whether it be from Covid or from war or from inexplicably harsh economic conditions thanks to the Feds wanting to diminish workers power or in the EU with rising energy costs or from environmental disasters of our own making. The instability feels like a house of cards. We need to de-escalate but I think this requires a new ruling class.
 
Joe Mac said:
Does a cease fire achieve anything other than Russia annexing more of Ukraine and then returning in 4 or 5 years to finish the job? American boots on the ground is an actual American declaration of war on Russia. I don’t think that American and Russian soldiers were engaged in direct warfare even at the height of the Cold War? It’s such a dicey situation right now.
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It probably doesn't.

Also, the nuclear weapons treaty. Hasn't Russia been not really abiding by it for years now anyways. As in not reducing their stockpile of nuclear warheads as promised all while the US did.
 
nolalady said:
I don’t really know what the answer is, but our leaders seem to be okay with regular people being expendable, whether it be from Covid or from war or from inexplicably harsh economic conditions thanks to the Feds wanting to diminish workers power or in the EU with rising energy costs or from environmental disasters of our own making. The instability feels like a house of cards. We need to de-escalate but I think this requires a new ruling class.
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I think that’s always been the case but that the growth mindset probably created an economic situation Post WWII that insulated people from that. The rise of neo liberalism in the 80s fucked that and the impending climate disaster is going to need a change of approach that I don’t think we are capable of as a wider species. I can’t see anything getting any easier in my lifetime.
 
Joe Mac said:
I think that’s always been the case but that the growth mindset probably created an economic situation Post WWII that insulated people from that. The rise of neo liberalism in the 80s fucked that and the impending climate disaster is going to need a change of approach that I don’t think we are capable of as a wider species. I can’t see anything getting any easier in my lifetime.
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Unfortunately neither do I. The celebration of greed, especially in the West has really fucked us as a culture. We need to vilify greed and focus on cooperation which would require quite a cultural shift.
 
nolalady said:
Unfortunately neither do I. The celebration of greed, especially in the West has really fucked us as a culture. We need to vilify greed and focus on cooperation which would require quite a cultural shift.
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Not to mention our governments need to fundamentally change. And we are too stuck to change them without violence to over throw them.

Our governments will not make the necessary adjustments to address climate change because it hurts the economy. Which to them, is far worth then thinking about what the condition of the earth will be like for future generations. Because it's not their problem. Corporate and shareholder wealth today is.
 
RenegadeMonster said:
Not to mention our governments need to fundamentally change. And we are too stuck to change them without violence to over throw them.

Our governments will not make the necessary adjustments to address climate change because it hurts the economy. Which to them, is far worth then thinking about what the condition of the earth will be like for future generations. Because it's not their problem. Corporate and shareholder wealth today is.
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Our governments will not make necessary adjustments to transition the economy to more sustainable production and growth because far too many individuals in our governments are wealthy shareholders who profit off of business as usual, even if it’s completely unsustainable.
 
nolalady said:
Our governments will not make necessary adjustments to transition the economy to more sustainable production and growth because far too many individuals in our governments are wealthy shareholders who profit off of business as usual, even if it’s completely unsustainable.
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And they will continue to tell us such changes to the government that are needed "are not how things work" and "unrealistic". And in the case of the United States, that "the government does not have that power".
 


Learned a lot about Brown v Board of Education that I didn't know and was never taught in school.

For example, I never knew many counties in the south closed all their public schools after the ruling, and opened white only private schools to avoid desegregation. That thousands of black teachers lost their jobs when segregated schools closed, because we couldn't have black teachers teaching white students in desegregated public schools. And that the qualify of education for black students declined after the ruling and rates of illiteracy in black students soared.
 
RenegadeMonster said:


Learned a lot about Brown v Board of Education that I didn't know and was never taught in school.

For example, I never knew many counties in the south closed all their public schools after the ruling, and opened white only private schools to avoid desegregation. That thousands of black teachers lost their jobs when segregated schools closed, because we couldn't have black teachers teaching white students in desegregated public schools. And that the qualify of education for black students declined after the ruling and rates of illiteracy in black students soared.
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And then that last point was used by the racists as "proof" that segregation worked better and to demonize generations of black children as not being intellectually up to white school standards. For being so fucking dumb, conservatives in this country sure know how to pull off the strategy of saying something that works is broken, breaking it to make their bull shit true, then saying it was always that way and they were right all along. How on earth people who are so against education have managed to get positions in authority over it is one of the most infuriating things to me.
 
Hemotep said:
How on earth people who are so against education have managed to get positions in authority over it is one of the most infuriating things to me.
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This!
My wife is an ex teacher and the mess of administrators, school board, or state leaders who have no too little experience as teachers, most of which are old business people, who are trying to run education like a business. You have the state and business making exams for students in which they both make money off, and penalizing teachers for not getting ‘more data’ and hailing the importance of tests. and setting up administrators to fire great for-student teachers because they don’t care about data. And now you have school board members politicizing their job and using it as a stepping stone for more power.
 
Where I grew up, we were considered an affluent rural community in the knowledge corridor of Massachusetts. We had the top public schools in the state when I was growing up. Now the public schools are struggling and cuts to funding are to blame. Not only did state and federal money for education get cut, but there has been a big retargeting of education funds from public to private schools in this area. We always had a lot of private schools. And now we have more. We also have a bunch of newly built charter schools. And the rich white kids are either in the charter schools or private schools these days and that's where all the tax payer money is going.

The school system I grew up in no longer has art, music/band, home economics, wood shop or computer science courses due to budget cuts. Classes are larger even though there are fewer students enrolled. Because there are fewer teachers and class options. And State exam grades are falling.
 
Memo said:
This!
My wife is an ex teacher and the mess of administrators, school board, or state leaders who have no too little experience as teachers, most of which are old business people, who are trying to run education like a business. You have the state and business making exams for students in which they both make money off, and penalizing teachers for not getting ‘more data’ and hailing the importance of tests. and setting up administrators to fire great for-student teachers because they don’t care about data. And now you have school board members politicizing their job and using it as a stepping stone for more power.
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Two things that should not be run like a business: schools and healthcare.
 
Hemotep said:
And then that last point was used by the racists as "proof" that segregation worked better and to demonize generations of black children as not being intellectually up to white school standards. For being so fucking dumb, conservatives in this country sure know how to pull off the strategy of saying something that works is broken, breaking it to make their bull shit true, then saying it was always that way and they were right all along. How on earth people who are so against education have managed to get positions in authority over it is one of the most infuriating things to me.
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The even more sinister and depressing thing is that they’re not against education. They’re just only in favour of educating themselves so they can hoard wealth. Everything else is a bullshit game to divide and conquer the poor.

Throwing enough of a carrot to poor white people whilst simultaneously blaming minorities for them not getting a bigger one has been an extremely effective play in all that.
 
Biden addressed the nation on Ukraine at 11:30am today. Putin has already responded by pulling out of the last remaining nuclear arms control pact as tensions continue to escalate.

Biden's message was the world would hold Russia accountable with further sanctions for it's human rights violations in Ukraine.
 
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Starbucks CEO says things have gone sour for young people

Fifteen years ago, Howard Schultz reprised his role as Starbucks CEO, returning to the helm to help put the struggling company back on course. At the time, the coffee chain was flailing, facing growing competition, cooling customer interest and contending with the financial crisis.
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It seems for the locations that have unionized, Starbucks and the unions have failed to negotiate at the gardening table. Each party pointing their finger at the other party and there inability to budge from their demands. It's pretty clear Starbucks in it's CEO are anti union.

Moreover though, this article talks about Starbucks CEO, and how he said believes the push for unionization has nothing to do with Starbucks, but a souring of conditions for young workers at the macro level in our country. Inflation, the cost of living and healthcare have all accumulated to young workers losing trust.
 
Dtknuckles said:
My ex drill Sargent friend says differently. He talks about a lot of conflict that didn’t exactly get any notice.
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Undoubtedly but generally off books of FSB/CIA actions interfering or small scale skirmishes and flashpoints. They were never both directly at war on opposing sides in the same country at the same time
 
RenegadeMonster said:
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Starbucks CEO says things have gone sour for young people

Fifteen years ago, Howard Schultz reprised his role as Starbucks CEO, returning to the helm to help put the struggling company back on course. At the time, the coffee chain was flailing, facing growing competition, cooling customer interest and contending with the financial crisis.
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It seems for the locations that have unionized, Starbucks and the unions have failed to negotiate at the gardening table. Each party pointing their finger at the other party and there inability to budge from their demands. It's pretty clear Starbucks in it's CEO are anti union.

Moreover though, this article talks about Starbucks CEO, and how he said believes the push for unionization has nothing to do with Starbucks, but a souring of conditions for young workers at the macro level in our country. Inflation, the cost of living and healthcare have all accumulated to young workers losing trust.
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Nice of him to recognize parts of the core issue and continue to hold fast on the same practices that lead to such distrust 🙃. I get/assume some of what he is saying is PR speech, but why waste time if he has zero intention to change? CEOs truly are the worst.
 
Caught up on the latest episode of John Oliver last night.

First part of the episode is about the toxic train wreck in Ohio, followed by psychedelics.

Well worth the watch.

Also, psychedelic therapy, if approved likely will be very expensive. Where talking like $15,000 per session expensive. The drug companies are already aggressively seeking and obtaining patents. They even got one for therapist talking to a patient under psychedelics. Isn't that just a therapist doing what they always do? How can they patent that.
 
RenegadeMonster said:
Caught up on the latest episode of John Oliver last night.

First part of the episode is about the toxic train wreck in Ohio, followed by psychedelics.

Well worth the watch.

Also, psychedelic therapy, if approved likely will be very expensive. Where talking like $15,000 per session expensive. The drug companies are already aggressively seeking and obtaining patents. They even got one for therapist talking to a patient under psychedelics. Isn't that just a therapist doing what they always do? How can they patent that.
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this falls under…you can’t have problems if you aren’t able to stitch together the loose threads of reality to conceptualize them.
 
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