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Indymisanthrope said:
Buddy, lemme tell you, I gotta get it out of my system on the forum. Have you ever tried to contradict your spouse by referring to something they said four years ago?

Wife: X

Me: But you told me Y. I remember.

Wife: Why are you using my words against me?!

Me: I thought you said you wanted me to listen more.

Wife: NOT LIKE THAT
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a few months ago we had a... “Discussion” where that she insisted she’d given my debit card back to me, in my hand, she definitely didn’t have it and if I had lost it, it was my own fault.

Three days later she tried to hand it to me. “What’s this?” I say. “Your debit card!” “The one you definitely don’t have and have back to me and it was my own fault for losing and it wasn’t your fault that I was careless?” She’s still mad that I quoted her back to her verbatim
 
Jan said:
www.theguardian.com

Trump is too old and incited a coup. Biden is too old and mixes up names. America, how to choose? | Marina Hyde

The special counsel has put the president’s memory in the spotlight, but if we’re talking about amnesia: 6 January, anyone?, asks Guardian columnist Marina Hyde
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"But another part of me, perhaps the irrational, can no longer watch any Biden speech or address without picturing his aides also watching backstage, mainlining cortisol, every fibre of their brace-positioned beings willing him to get over the line without making any unforced errors – and to then exit the stage without trying to use a flag as a door." 🤣 🤣
 
Indymisanthrope said:
Let’s hope your crystal ball is accurate as it was 4 years ago:
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So, I’ve enjoyed the past 3ish years not having to worry about the POTUS fucking up the country beyond recognition. This country is far from perfect but just not having to deal with that daily anxiety made my life better.

Reagan’s brain was mush at the end, Woodrow Wilson suffered a debilitating Stroke in 1919 and served out the rest of his term without too much of an issue. These men are not what consider to great presidents or even good men but the federal government and institutions were strong enough to withstand essentially an incapacitated executive.

My point is having a feeble geriatric man that allows the machine to run on autopilot is preferable to having a demented geriatric man actively trying to dismantle the machine from within. To me, that seems fairly obvious and as long as it’s just Biden and Trump running I think most prefer the Biden years to the Trump years. I think as November approaches voters will draw the same conclusion.

I don’t care if Biden is hermetically sealed in an Iron Lung for the next 4 year. The only way he matters is that he keeps the keys to the White House out of Trump’s hand.
 
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TenderLovingKiller® said:
So, I’ve enjoyed the past 3ish years not having to worry about the POTUS fucking up the country beyond recognition. This country is far from perfect but just not having to deal with that daily anxiety made my life better.

Reagan’s brain was mush at the end, Woodrow Wilson suffered a debilitating Stroke in 1919 and served out the rest of his term without too much of an issue. These men are not what consider to great presidents or even good men but the federal government and institutions were strong enough to withstand essentially an incapacitated executive.

My point is having a feeble geriatric man that allows the machine to run on autopilot is preferable to having a demented geriatric man actively trying to dismantle the machine from within. To me, that seems fairly obvious and as long as it’s just Biden and Trump running I think most prefer the Biden years to the Trump years. I think as November approaches voters will draw the same conclusion.

I don’t care if Biden is hermetically sealed in an Iron Lung for the next 4 year. The only way he matters is that he keeps the keys to the White House out of Trump’s hand.
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When the orange asshole was pres, reading the morning news for what outrageous thing he had done in the previous 24 hours was always angst filled. Joe has been a breeze during his time as leader of the free world.
 
OMC said:
When the orange asshole was pres, reading the morning news for what outrageous thing he had done in the previous 24 hours was always angst filled. Joe has been a breeze during his time as leader of the free world.
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it genuinely made me miss George Bush the lesser -- a man whom I hated when in office and thought very poorly of, but goddamn, however bad a presideent I thought he was (and I thought he was the worst ever at the time,) at no point did I seriously consider "well, GHB might be a wholly bought and owned and compromised foreign agent, or just incredibly presonally corrupt and crass and craven enough to ruin the country for his own personal gain"
 
OMC said:
When the orange asshole was pres, reading the morning news for what outrageous thing he had done in the previous 24 hours was always angst filled. Joe has been a breeze during his time as leader of the free world.
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I don't mean this as an attack, but that's a very privileged position for many of us to have. Sure Trump's rhetoric was a daily dose of anxiety, but under Biden abortion rights disappeared, right wing dismantling of education is everywhere, LGBTQ rights are not only rolling back but they're being criminalized, major war in Europe, major war in Middle East, worse income inequality than before, environmental protections being dismantled and zero substantive action on climate change, mainstreaming anti-immigration and mass deportation policies in the Democratic party while abandoning the promises made to DREAMERs, not dealing with the student loan crisis, defunding the humanities, alienated Muslim Americans. And sure that all probably would have been even worse under Trump, but for a lot of people it's not better and their daily anxiety with Biden is just as bad.
 
Hemotep said:
I don't mean this as an attack, but that's a very privileged position for many of us to have. Sure Trump's rhetoric was a daily dose of anxiety, but under Biden abortion rights disappeared, right wing dismantling of education is everywhere, LGBTQ rights are not only rolling back but they're being criminalized, major war in Europe, major war in Middle East, worse income inequality than before, environmental protections being dismantled and zero substantive action on climate change, mainstreaming anti-immigration and mass deportation policies in the Democratic party while abandoning the promises made to DREAMERs, not dealing with the student loan crisis, defunding the humanities, alienated Muslim Americans. And sure that all probably would have been even worse under Trump, but for a lot of people it's not better and their daily anxiety with Biden is just as bad.
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The roe v wade thing very much not a biden issue, but lays pretty directly at trump's feet, due to the supreme court fuckery and state's rights fuckery. I would make an (I think) strong argument that the other issues you mentioned are also outside the realm of presidential control (speaking as a floridian who cares about lgbt people in my life, and with school-age children)
 
yukbon said:
a few months ago we had a... “Discussion” where that she insisted she’d given my debit card back to me, in my hand, she definitely didn’t have it and if I had lost it, it was my own fault.

Three days later she tried to hand it to me. “What’s this?” I say. “Your debit card!” “The one you definitely don’t have and have back to me and it was my own fault for losing and it wasn’t your fault that I was careless?” She’s still mad that I quoted her back to her verbatim
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Comon guys, you are triggering flashbacks. I like my peaceful single life.
 
yukbon said:
The roe v wade thing very much not a biden issue, but lays pretty directly at trump's feet, due to the supreme court fuckery and state's rights fuckery. I would make an (I think) strong argument that the other issues you mentioned are also outside the realm of presidential control (speaking as a floridian who cares about lgbt people in my life, and with school-age children)
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Obama ran on codifying Roe, and changed his mind as soon as he was elected, despite having the biggest supermajority in both houses in recent years. Clinton had the chance too, and didn't. Biden has yet to take any extreme measures to alleviate people's suffering since it's ending. There's a lot more people to blame than just Trump for the death of Roe and it's aftershocks.
 
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yukbon said:
The roe v wade thing very much not a biden issue, but lays pretty directly at trump's feet, due to the supreme court fuckery and state's rights fuckery. I would make an (I think) strong argument that the other issues you mentioned are also outside the realm of presidential control (speaking as a floridian who cares about lgbt people in my life, and with school-age children)
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Just because he didn't cause it doesn't mean it's not a Biden issue. There is historical precident for the president to ignore the supreme court, expand it, etc. Especially after the McConnell and Trump fuckery. He did nothing, that's on him.
 
Hemotep said:
I don't mean this as an attack, but that's a very privileged position for many of us to have. Sure Trump's rhetoric was a daily dose of anxiety, but under Biden abortion rights disappeared, right wing dismantling of education is everywhere, LGBTQ rights are not only rolling back but they're being criminalized, major war in Europe, major war in Middle East, worse income inequality than before, environmental protections being dismantled and zero substantive action on climate change, mainstreaming anti-immigration and mass deportation policies in the Democratic party while abandoning the promises made to DREAMERs, not dealing with the student loan crisis, defunding the humanities, alienated Muslim Americans. And sure that all probably would have been even worse under Trump, but for a lot of people it's not better and their daily anxiety with Biden is just as bad.
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Rightly or wrongly I don’t think Biden had much to do with most of the crummy stuff listed here. I have found that the POTUS ability to make things better for your everyday person. I do think that a president does have the ability to make things much worse. Change for good happens slowly and incrementally in this country but change for ill can happen with the sign of a pen.

Bernie coulda been POTUS and of this BS would have still sadly gone down much in the same way. The executive is more useful as a check on the Judicial and legislative branch than it is on making substantive change. Congress being the most disfunctional body in the government is mostly to blame for the vast majority of these issue followed closely by having a SCOTUS stacked with grifters and prep school Catholics.
 
TenderLovingKiller® said:
Rightly or wrongly I don’t think Biden had much to do with most of the crummy stuff listed here. I have found that the POTUS ability to make things better for your everyday person. I do think that a president does have the ability to make things much worse. Change for good happens slowly and incrementally in this country but change for ill can happen with the sign of a pen.

Bernie coulda been POTUS and of this BS would have still sadly gone down much in the same way. The executive is more useful as a check on the Judicial and legislative branch than it is on making substantive change. Congress being the most disfunctional body in the government is mostly to blame for the vast majority of these issue followed closely by having a SCOTUS stacked with grifters and prep school Catholics.
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My comment above covers some of this, so sorry for the repeat. But it's not that Biden "did" all of these, most happened while he was president because of other things already in motion. But he very much did not fight publicly or try nearly anything to stop most of them. He fails as a check on the Judicial and Legislative branch. Post-Trump you (Biden, not you) can not put your head in the sand and pretend that business as usual is going to work. It won't, it hasn't, and he's refused to strengthen the institutions to prevent it from getting worse. He's enabled the slide into the quagmire we find ourselves in.
 
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